What's happening at Horizon and Jets?
03-28-2022, 08:54 AM
#3982
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"While we had hoped to continue flying the beloved Q400 until the end of 2023, we just do not have the capability. Attrition in the airframe has been high and we have been ahead of schedule bringing our E175s online. Therefore, our last Q400 flight will be Saturday, October 1st 2022. We thank all of our Q400 crews for their amazingly hard work over the last few months and look forward to competing in today's environment with a smaller, more agile airline." - Horizon Management in the Future, Probably, Maybe
03-28-2022, 04:13 PM
#3983
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So how is the Alaska pathways the “fastest route to a major” when wet ink captains are getting hired at delta, United, etc? Will we see the Alaska pathways requirements get reduced to clean out our now overstaffed 40 jet airline?
also is this reduction in fleet possibly a precursor to Alaska’s new contract getting a scope clause?
also is this reduction in fleet possibly a precursor to Alaska’s new contract getting a scope clause?
03-28-2022, 08:58 PM
#3984
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Originally Posted by Erjpilot90
also is this reduction in fleet possibly a precursor to Alaska’s new contract getting a scope clause?
03-30-2022, 03:49 PM
#3986
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Originally Posted by rainyday
Sad to see but I don’t think they make it. There will be stagnation for a new hire as the super senior Q captn come over to the E. Probably be over staffed for a time. Any one that was thinking of staying is now bailing. Attrition will be worse. No new hires want to come…… kaboom.
Best case Alaska just absorbs them in.
Best case Alaska just absorbs them in.
AS ALPA will obviously not agree to an SLI with QX.
Senior QX will probably not voluntarily accept staple (COMAIR was actually offered that).
They could flow the QX pilots as needed, and that could possibly include furloughed pilots.
03-30-2022, 03:55 PM
#3987
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Originally Posted by Blip
If AAG was thinking about scope, wouldn't they want as many regional planes on property before it goes into effect?
03-30-2022, 06:31 PM
#3988
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
AS will not "absorb" them, at least not as a group... they cannot staple a pilot group due to Mccaskill-Bond. Unless it's voluntary.
AS ALPA will obviously not agree to an SLI with QX.
Senior QX will probably not voluntarily accept staple (COMAIR was actually offered that).
They could flow the QX pilots as needed, and that could possibly include furloughed pilots.
AS ALPA will obviously not agree to an SLI with QX.
Senior QX will probably not voluntarily accept staple (COMAIR was actually offered that).
They could flow the QX pilots as needed, and that could possibly include furloughed pilots.
03-30-2022, 09:00 PM
#3989
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
Having seen McCaskill-Bond up close and personal, I do not believe it would apply to absorbing a wholly owned subsidiary regional airline being stapled.
If assets were transferred (the ERJs), that would almost certainly be enough value to trigger MB.
It's possible that if the ERJ's just went away and minimal or no assets were transferred to AS, then they could staple the pilots without any recourse. In that case it would really just be a flow.
03-30-2022, 09:44 PM
#3990
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Alaska wont stop hiring Skywest and military and corporate at the same time. 3 classes of 16 per month is prob more than the training department can do with the upcoming Displacement bid from the demise of the entire Airbus fleet..So more like 35 a month for new hires and half of those could be QX… take years to hire all of QX. We wont allow seniority numbers to go to pilots that are not on our seniority list. It is not anything more than we cannot trust the leadership of Alaska Airlines to not run wild with any kind of an MOU that would allow flow.
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