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Old 12-24-2021, 08:22 PM
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Horizon Air is run by Horizon Air. It is popular to throw the “Air Group” name around but it really does not exist….many of Alaska Airlines managers learned their bad behavior while they were Horizon Air employees. It does no good for Horizon Air employees to focus their anger at Alaska Airlines. If it needs fixing then fix it in your own house. The “Air Group” boogeyman that Horizon employees have conjured up provides great cover for the bad behavior of Horizon management.
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Old 12-24-2021, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 9mikemike View Post
Horizon Air is run by Horizon Air. It is popular to throw the “Air Group” name around but it really does not exist….many of Alaska Airlines managers learned their bad behavior while they were Horizon Air employees. It does no good for Horizon Air employees to focus their anger at Alaska Airlines. If it needs fixing then fix it in your own house. The “Air Group” boogeyman that Horizon employees have conjured up provides great cover for the bad behavior of Horizon management.
Their SEC statement reads differently:

ITEM 1. OUR BUSINESS
Alaska Air Group is a Delaware corporation incorporated in 1985 that operates two airlines, Alaska and Horizon. Alaska was organized in 1932 and incorporated in 1937 in the state of Alaska. Horizon is a Washington corporation that was incorporated and began service in 1981, and was acquired by Air Group in 1986. Virgin America was a member of Air Group from its acquisition in 2016 through 2018, at which time Alaska and Virgin America combined operating certificates and legally merged into a single entity. The Company also includes McGee Air Services, an aviation services provider that was established as a wholly-owned subsidiary of Alaska in 2016, and other subsidiaries.
Alaska and Horizon operate as separate airlines, with individual business plans, competitive factors and economic risks. We organize the business and review financial operating performance by aggregating our business in three operating segments, which are as follows:
• Mainline - includes scheduled air transportation on Alaska's Boeing and Airbus jet aircraft for passengers and cargo throughout the U.S., and in parts of Mexico, and Costa Rica.
• Regional - includes Horizon's and other third-party carriers’ scheduled air transportation for passengers across a shorter distance network within the U.S. and Canada under capacity purchase agreements (CPA). This segment includes the actual revenues and expenses associated with regional flying, as well as an allocation of corporate overhead incurred by Air Group on behalf of the regional operations.
• Horizon - includes the capacity sold to Alaska under a CPA. Expenses include those typically borne by regional airlines such as crew costs, ownership costs and maintenance costs.
Together we are the fifth largest airline in the United States, offering unparalleled guest service, connectivity and schedules from our hub markets along the West Coast. With our regional partners we fly to more than 115 destinations throughout the United States and North America. We have operated in a highly competitive and often challenging industry for over 88 years. Our top priority as an airline is ensuring the safety of our guests and employees, an area that we have continued to invest in during 2020 despite the significant financial challenges we encountered. Our success over many decades and resilience in difficult times is attributable to our people, business model, and commitment to sustainable growth over the long-term.

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Old 12-24-2021, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 9mikemike View Post
Horizon Air is run by Horizon Air. It is popular to throw the “Air Group” name around but it really does not exist….many of Alaska Airlines managers learned their bad behavior while they were Horizon Air employees. It does no good for Horizon Air employees to focus their anger at Alaska Airlines. If it needs fixing then fix it in your own house. The “Air Group” boogeyman that Horizon employees have conjured up provides great cover for the bad behavior of Horizon management.

What? There’s enough over at the Alaska forum to paint a picture of the AAG boogeyman you speak of. At horizon we have to deal with AAG puppets that are focused on bottom line results and pronouns. These puppets aren’t horizon made, they come from ALASKA.

The above shouldn’t prevent anyone with going to Horizon, for the most part it’s a good place to work for a regional. With that being said, moving on to Alaska is becoming 2nd or 3rd option for many because of what has already been said here.

Alaska pilots have the problem. It’s most of the older crowd that can’t face the fact they’ve been worked over by AAG time and time again. But just taxi out in ANC and watch the middle finger from the 737s towards you that hold the same paint job. We aren’t your problem, but they can’t stomach the reality of their own short comings. Some, in a minority, think horizon is rooting for E195s to come to QX in reality that’s further from the truth. We want mainline to get those and have the ability to move on make more money and fly a platform we admire.

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Old 12-25-2021, 01:29 PM
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Am well aware of both the SEC filings and the belief that AG is somehow “operating” airlines….They for sure are owning things but they dont operate. QX and OO both provide pilots,fa’s, mechs, and jets…Where they go and when they go and how often they go is entirely up to the Alaska Airlines VP of commercial operations and his myriad of minions… All of the seats are 100% controlled and owned by Alaska Airlines. When we finally negotiate scope at Alaska Airlines it will apply equally to all CPA flying.. OO, QX and who ever else is on that list and operates scoped aircraft. I grant you that it is a long time coming but it will. The simple fact of ownership does not change the nature of the relationship….There are many proud Horizon employees who remember when there was a Horizon Air….That sold tickets and operated for other carriers and controlled their own seat inventory. QX still exists, just not in “airline form” any longer. The ANC situation is most assuredly a tinder box….Pilots/FA’s and jets from another airline with the Marley logo painted on the tail are replacing flying that Alaska Airlines pilots have done for 35+ years….A decision made by their employer unencumbered by contractual obligation. I place that fault on us, the Alaska Airlines pilots who bought the “siren song” for too long. Your airline was told by my airline to go to Anchorage and open up shop. The ANC base or a few of them will behave childishly because they do not understand the airline business. It is inexcusable and will be stopped. If JSing becomes an issue that to will be stopped. We need to do us and Horizon needs to do them… Period
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Old 01-23-2022, 09:32 AM
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The Scott Day email is embarrassing. I'd be so excited to go and have that guy as my CP.
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Old 01-24-2022, 04:10 PM
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It’s pretty lame for sure.
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Old 01-24-2022, 05:56 PM
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It’s pretty lame for sure.
Anybody care to share?
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Old 01-24-2022, 08:29 PM
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I don't get what's embarrassing..
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Old 01-25-2022, 04:00 AM
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I have an interview coming up with Horizon Air, can anyone give me insight of the company?
what’s the current reserve time for new hires and is there opportunity to pick up open time. When does the pay start. How much flying do you get a month.
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Old 01-25-2022, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by clearandcold View Post
Anybody care to share?
I wouldn't worry about it if you are a protentional new hire. As someone else asked it was a little gringy due to how many times the company, via Alaska's chief pilot, has flip flopped on this pathways. It isn't negotiated through the union so not very surprising. Horizon pilots were told that no-one outside of the pathways has a shot with anything less than 5k hrs and at least 1k 121 PIC, to now meaningless emails pleading with anyone in the pilot group that hasn't signed up for the pathways interviews to please do so. That same email also informed QX pilots that AAG has setup a pathways for Skywest but tried to put a cherry on top for us by saying they would require 24 months in the left seat for any Skywest candidate vs our 12 months. However, We all know people that have moved on to mainline via the pathways and I am hearing some interesting stats on new hires our friends are in class with. A SkyWest pilot in a recent new hire class with 2800 hrs and 83TPIC!?? So seems if you are at anything but the wholly owned you'd be looked at sooner. I don't want to speak for the pilot group as a whole but these emails just seem like a waste and the info always changes a couple months down the road, so why give them any weight.

If they're needing more pilots on the list, especially with experience, then why even make them interview when you are putting Horizon new hires on automatically?
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