JB slowing growth, more aircraft deferrals.
04-26-2017, 12:27 PM
#71
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Originally Posted by Alterbridge
I simply pointed out that, in your effort to educate the masses, what you had mentioned was incorrect. There's the occasional 71 hour layover in ABQ in the JFK bid pack, worth 23 hours-ish. One is, indeed, being paid on those non-flying days. Just not paid well.
The point is we are GROSSLY undercompensated compared to our peers. These are the drawbacks that payrates don't convey to prospective applicants and you can only learn from experience or from people sharing them in forums like these.
04-26-2017, 12:52 PM
#73
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Originally Posted by Softpayman
We really need that Witchita and Harlingen flying pronto! Has somebody told Robin of these gold mines??
04-26-2017, 01:21 PM
#74
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Originally Posted by capt707
I feel like May had more than usual 10-11 hr. 3 day trips. And they wonder why they don't have enough crews... 
CBA now!!
CBA now!!
04-26-2017, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman
We really need that Witchita and Harlingen flying pronto! Has somebody told Robin of these gold mines??
We are sitting on our hands while Alaska expands the Bay Area, San Diego and Dallas. Frontier, Spirit, SWA are filling voids left by United and Delta in Cleveland and Cincinnati. SWA is about to get a lot of new gate space in FLL. We are adding frequency to Haiti and Cuba. Talk about gold mines.
04-26-2017, 01:29 PM
#76
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Originally Posted by atrdriver
You make some good points in that post.
I will say yes, anyone can see the (lagging) payrates and the (depressing) retirement numbers and the (deferred) airplane orders.
But what a prospective applicant can't find out from the APC airline profile and from the documents out in the public domain is the day-to-day reality of this place. The 10-hour 3-days. The numerous day sleeps in crappy hotels. The crappy hotels in general (I know of one particular regional that has better hotels/locations across the board), staying across from the BUF airport for 30 hours (unpaid) with nothing but a McDonalds within walking distance. The realities of reserve here. The impossibility of getting awarded a summer vacation week until your 10th(?) year on property. The fact that the company doesn't actually give you 13% in your 401(k) due to the profit sharing cliff. Etc etc etc. The list goes on.
This is stuff you don't find out until you're on line even if you do your due diligence (as I did). So forgive me for banging on these items because I wish I had been aware of the "gotchas" before I came here.
I will say yes, anyone can see the (lagging) payrates and the (depressing) retirement numbers and the (deferred) airplane orders.
But what a prospective applicant can't find out from the APC airline profile and from the documents out in the public domain is the day-to-day reality of this place. The 10-hour 3-days. The numerous day sleeps in crappy hotels. The crappy hotels in general (I know of one particular regional that has better hotels/locations across the board), staying across from the BUF airport for 30 hours (unpaid) with nothing but a McDonalds within walking distance. The realities of reserve here. The impossibility of getting awarded a summer vacation week until your 10th(?) year on property. The fact that the company doesn't actually give you 13% in your 401(k) due to the profit sharing cliff. Etc etc etc. The list goes on.
This is stuff you don't find out until you're on line even if you do your due diligence (as I did). So forgive me for banging on these items because I wish I had been aware of the "gotchas" before I came here.
Express jet?
These things will get fixed with a CBA the question is when and nobody has the answer. I have a bet with bozo 100 bucks to BPF that it's by the end of this year but that is me. But as you guys always say the other airlines have known CBAs
Heck I would like my AWAC vacation system back and the insurance we had. But I still would have come to JetBlue when I did.
04-26-2017, 01:33 PM
#77
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Originally Posted by atrdriver
We are sitting on our hands while Alaska expands the Bay Area, San Diego and Dallas. Frontier, Spirit, SWA are filling voids left by United and Delta in Cleveland and Cincinnati. SWA is about to get a lot of new gate space in FLL. We are adding frequency to Haiti and Cuba. Talk about gold mines.
I am not going to argue the west coast or middle of the country stuff but some of the stuff they have been doing is has worked out.
04-26-2017, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
Dude where have you been we have been doing nothing but growing FLL how fast do you want it to grow. Since I have been here we have done nothing but grow Boston as well. We tried to buy VA(a huge change from the old JetBlue) it just didn't work. As far as Cuba SWA just asked for more fights as well so are they also wrong?
I am not going to argue the west coast or middle of the country stuff but some of the stuff they have been doing is has worked out.
I am not going to argue the west coast or middle of the country stuff but some of the stuff they have been doing is has worked out.
04-26-2017, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
Dude where have you been we have been doing nothing but growing FLL how fast do you want it to grow. Since I have been here we have done nothing but grow Boston as well. We tried to buy VA(a huge change from the old JetBlue) it just didn't work. As far as Cuba SWA just asked for more fights as well so are they also wrong?
I am not going to argue the west coast or middle of the country stuff but some of the stuff they have been doing is has worked out.
I am not going to argue the west coast or middle of the country stuff but some of the stuff they have been doing is has worked out.
While we defer airplane orders and cut back on maintaining our present fleet, we are missing out on opportunities to develop our network beyond the northeast to Florida and the Caribbean/Latin America. Soon those opportunities will vanish and the music will remain stopped here. I certainly hope I'm wrong, but on the current trajectory I see no other outcome.
Hopefully management makes some positive announcements this summer, otherwise I have zero confidence in their ability to grow this airline. You and I are dependent on growth for our careers, while our peers can rocket up their seniority lists thanks to retirements, making 30-40% more... even if their airline halts growth or even pulls back a bit. Not hyperbole. Real talk.
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