John Carr

Anyway they want.

It’s not mil vs. civ peeing contest, why go there?

CaptCoolHand

You missed the point entirely.

Otterbox

Unfortunately not all applicants are created equal and timing is the biggest factor in getting hired, followed by luck.

Do not forget that the whole point to CPP/DGI/SSP/FLOW is to keep the regionals staffed with cheap labor, thus making domestic feed profitable.

When you look at the #s, CPP has a disheartening pass rate between the Hogan and passing the interview. Something like less than 25% of folks who get selected for the process picked up first round (overall success rates don’t seem to be tracked between the different companies but it seems to be the lowest out of any preferential program thanks to the Hogan).

Endeavors program has a roughly 35% initial pass rate to get to Delta (roughly 2/3rds overall by the time second interview is completed years later).

Two of AAs three Wholly Owned regionals have flows greater than 10 years (with Piedmont being the exception around 5 years because they’re expanding).

All are designed to keep folks flying RJs, cheaply, for a long time. Don’t buy into that these preferential programs are some quick miracle drug that gets folks to the majors quickly and easily. Looking at the numbers, the vast majority aren’t.

atrdriver

Is that any surprise?

hyperboy

But EVERY TIME I see a pilot that doesn't look a day over 25 walking around in a (insert good/great job) uniform while there's tons of military/civ guys that sucked up the dark decade, that's what I think

I did not go there you did? Read what you wrote above? How do you know what they look like? All I am saying?

CaptCoolHand

You....

Missed

The

Point

Entirely.

John Carr

XJT acceptance rate has gone up. It’s sitting at roughly 50% that make it through the interview. Initially, it was only about 20%.

HPI pass rate has gone up as well.

I thought I heard that once the SSP got through the guys that didn’t take it seriously, felt they were entitled, had sloppy log books/apps, etc that it went up to DAL’s normal off the street pass rate, 70-80%?

And hey, watch/flip-flops boy made it through so apparantly it’s not too tough

But some of the XJT CPP passes had very questionable things on their background as well.

PasserOGas

Re reading my post I could see it that way. This goes for all the twice furloughed guys with families at XJT or wherever. The big 3 hiring 25 year old single guys with next to zero experience is a slap in the face.

And BTW less safe. Experience matters.

John Carr

Fair enough.

But I didn't see your post that way.

Simply keying off the point you mentioned, we ALL KNOW very experienced/qualified/mature guys and girls from ALL BACKGROUNDS grunting it out and for whatever reason aren't getting noticed.

Meanwhile, those without it are.

If Hyper wants to take something the wrong way/make a mountain out of a molehill, whatever.......

BuckeyeFO

wait until JetBlue HR gets a PRIA request from Endeavor for one of your pilots. Your management better get a TA on the table soon before JB falls behind regionals in attracting people.

JB pays more than a regional...but at most regionals: upgrades are way sooner, flow to majors, better travel benefits (without having to clean planes), more/better base options, less sitting reserve.

For a lot of guys, it really is a toss up.