To those that left jetBlue....
#102
Line Holder
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 874
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You aren't being an elitest pig looking down on flight attendants... You are a pilot and you worked damn hard to get to where you are. Snot rags in seat backs isn't just beneath you it is absurd to even assume you would clean. It is also beneath the flight attendants but that is ultimately their fight. This has been an issue at JetBlue for at least the last decade and yet no other airlines have this ambiguity and constant chafing of labor groups over this issue.
#103
When I was at JetBlue pilots would routinely grab gloves and go in the back while passengers were still deplaning. One check airman even went as far as asking for gloves to be stored in the flight deck. The fact is that the flight attendants got used to the pilots helping out and it was expected at one point in time. It has lead to labor strife and resentment between work groups which is managements distraction. Do you clean up on other airlines when non-revving? No because they have cleaners like any real airline should. If all pilots stopped cleaning completely it would be the norm. Instead you are still going to have the handful of go getters who make us look like idiots.
You aren't being an elitest pig looking down on flight attendants... You are a pilot and you worked damn hard to get to where you are. Snot rags in seat backs isn't just beneath you it is absurd to even assume you would clean. It is also beneath the flight attendants but that is ultimately their fight. This has been an issue at JetBlue for at least the last decade and yet no other airlines have this ambiguity and constant chafing of labor groups over this issue.
You aren't being an elitest pig looking down on flight attendants... You are a pilot and you worked damn hard to get to where you are. Snot rags in seat backs isn't just beneath you it is absurd to even assume you would clean. It is also beneath the flight attendants but that is ultimately their fight. This has been an issue at JetBlue for at least the last decade and yet no other airlines have this ambiguity and constant chafing of labor groups over this issue.
#104
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,316
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You know, this made me think about how the company made FA’s show up to the plane 5 minutes before the pilots, therefore having to take an earlier van. Since they can’t leagally make the pilots show up to work earlier without adjusting duty periods, they make the FA’s show up earlier and schedule the van earlier. Only problem is there is often times only ONE VAN scheduled, so therefore you wind up going earlier too. This new scheme definitely paid off, judging by our awesome 69% on time performance. THAT is the definition of mickey mouse. Never heard of such a thing in the history of airlines.
#105
You know, this made me think about how the company made FA’s show up to the plane 5 minutes before the pilots, therefore having to take an earlier van. Since they can’t leagally make the pilots show up to work earlier without adjusting duty periods, they make the FA’s show up earlier and schedule the van earlier. Only problem is there is often times only ONE VAN scheduled, so therefore you wind up going earlier too. This new scheme definitely paid off, judging by our awesome 69% on time performance. THAT is the definition of mickey mouse. Never heard of such a thing in the history of airlines.

So tired of the bs here. Where are all the juicers? Was that last email a wake up call to the fact that the company is not going to budge?
CBA 2020 has a nice ring to it.
#106
Line Holder
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 413
Likes: 2
From: B757F CA
You know, this made me think about how the company made FA’s show up to the plane 5 minutes before the pilots, therefore having to take an earlier van. Since they can’t leagally make the pilots show up to work earlier without adjusting duty periods, they make the FA’s show up earlier and schedule the van earlier. Only problem is there is often times only ONE VAN scheduled, so therefore you wind up going earlier too. This new scheme definitely paid off, judging by our awesome 69% on time performance. THAT is the definition of mickey mouse. Never heard of such a thing in the history of airlines.
#107
My question in reading this is why are pilots taking an earlier van? If the company can’t schedule or choose a hotel which can offer transportation times which fit with your show time, then that is the company’s problem, not pilots. You all should just take the next van. Problem solved. Reminds me of the morons that took early vans and showed at the gate before show time, on min rest overnights. Nothing like willfully violating rest requirements to try and get that flight out on time...
#108
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,316
Likes: 0
My question in reading this is why are pilots taking an earlier van? If the company can’t schedule or choose a hotel which can offer transportation times which fit with your show time, then that is the company’s problem, not pilots. You all should just take the next van. Problem solved. Reminds me of the morons that took early vans and showed at the gate before show time, on min rest overnights. Nothing like willfully violating rest requirements to try and get that flight out on time...
#109
FA’s are upset that the pilots won’t ride the early van. They expect you’ll stay together as a team. That translates into attitude for the day and now no one is happy. Then Inflight blames the pilots for the culture getting diluted.
Jblue is the epicenter of finger pointing. It’s easy to do when there are a thousand middle managers and VP’s of nothing. Just throw something at the wall and hope it sticks. Cabin refresh? 165 seat A320’s? Sharklets? Carts? 5 minutes early for inflight? Boarding without pilots? It’s all led to a $310,000,000 loss in 2017 delays. That’s a stunning number. Heads should roll.
Anyone heard of planning software? Take a look at mid-day delays. Look at MCO BUF RDU. Clockwork. Not D0. Something else is at work. What is it? That’s where you figure it out and fix it. Take a look at the Cush 2 day trips on Jan 31st in the bid. Anything significant about Jan 31? Picketing in JFK. IF THEY CAN PLAN THAT THEN THEY CAN FIX SYSTEMATIC MID-DAY DLEAYS!!!!! Invest in a new software package. Spend big. $10mil. Save $310mil. Genius.
We’re moving into a new realm as an airline. The problem is we have no one who’s manning the helm. No direction. No goals. No timeline and goal gates. Just vacant rumors and the same nonsense that’s been rolling for years. Oh yeah, no CBA. I like the truthful and sobering comment that we just lost 3% Jan 1, 2018.
-Bubs
Jblue is the epicenter of finger pointing. It’s easy to do when there are a thousand middle managers and VP’s of nothing. Just throw something at the wall and hope it sticks. Cabin refresh? 165 seat A320’s? Sharklets? Carts? 5 minutes early for inflight? Boarding without pilots? It’s all led to a $310,000,000 loss in 2017 delays. That’s a stunning number. Heads should roll.
Anyone heard of planning software? Take a look at mid-day delays. Look at MCO BUF RDU. Clockwork. Not D0. Something else is at work. What is it? That’s where you figure it out and fix it. Take a look at the Cush 2 day trips on Jan 31st in the bid. Anything significant about Jan 31? Picketing in JFK. IF THEY CAN PLAN THAT THEN THEY CAN FIX SYSTEMATIC MID-DAY DLEAYS!!!!! Invest in a new software package. Spend big. $10mil. Save $310mil. Genius.
We’re moving into a new realm as an airline. The problem is we have no one who’s manning the helm. No direction. No goals. No timeline and goal gates. Just vacant rumors and the same nonsense that’s been rolling for years. Oh yeah, no CBA. I like the truthful and sobering comment that we just lost 3% Jan 1, 2018.
-Bubs
#110
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,935
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From: Airbus Capt
FA’s are upset that the pilots won’t ride the early van. They expect you’ll stay together as a team. That translates into attitude for the day and now no one is happy. Then Inflight blames the pilots for the culture getting diluted.
Jblue is the epicenter of finger pointing. It’s easy to do when there are a thousand middle managers and VP’s of nothing. Just throw something at the wall and hope it sticks. Cabin refresh? 165 seat A320’s? Sharklets? Carts? 5 minutes early for inflight? Boarding without pilots? It’s all led to a $310,000,000 loss in 2017 delays. That’s a stunning number. Heads should roll.
Anyone heard of planning software? Take a look at mid-day delays. Look at MCO BUF RDU. Clockwork. Not D0. Something else is at work. What is it? That’s where you figure it out and fix it. Take a look at the Cush 2 day trips on Jan 31st in the bid. Anything significant about Jan 31? Picketing in JFK. IF THEY CAN PLAN THAT THEN THEY CAN FIX SYSTEMATIC MID-DAY DLEAYS!!!!! Invest in a new software package. Spend big. $10mil. Save $310mil. Genius.
We’re moving into a new realm as an airline. The problem is we have no one who’s manning the helm. No direction. No goals. No timeline and goal gates. Just vacant rumors and the same nonsense that’s been rolling for years. Oh yeah, no CBA. I like the truthful and sobering comment that we just lost 3% Jan 1, 2018.
-Bubs
Jblue is the epicenter of finger pointing. It’s easy to do when there are a thousand middle managers and VP’s of nothing. Just throw something at the wall and hope it sticks. Cabin refresh? 165 seat A320’s? Sharklets? Carts? 5 minutes early for inflight? Boarding without pilots? It’s all led to a $310,000,000 loss in 2017 delays. That’s a stunning number. Heads should roll.
Anyone heard of planning software? Take a look at mid-day delays. Look at MCO BUF RDU. Clockwork. Not D0. Something else is at work. What is it? That’s where you figure it out and fix it. Take a look at the Cush 2 day trips on Jan 31st in the bid. Anything significant about Jan 31? Picketing in JFK. IF THEY CAN PLAN THAT THEN THEY CAN FIX SYSTEMATIC MID-DAY DLEAYS!!!!! Invest in a new software package. Spend big. $10mil. Save $310mil. Genius.
We’re moving into a new realm as an airline. The problem is we have no one who’s manning the helm. No direction. No goals. No timeline and goal gates. Just vacant rumors and the same nonsense that’s been rolling for years. Oh yeah, no CBA. I like the truthful and sobering comment that we just lost 3% Jan 1, 2018.
-Bubs
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