Profit sharing in BCSS
02-24-2018 | 06:58 AM
#42
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No. He is advocating that using ASAP as a weapon against fellow pilots is stupid.
1. Address it one on one with the guy.
2. Go to professional standards (that's what they are there for)
3. Go to the chief pilot if ALL else fails.
Misusing ASAP is the sort of thing that will cause the demise of the program. Don't let your anger cloud your judgement.
1. Address it one on one with the guy.
2. Go to professional standards (that's what they are there for)
3. Go to the chief pilot if ALL else fails.
Misusing ASAP is the sort of thing that will cause the demise of the program. Don't let your anger cloud your judgement.
02-24-2018 | 07:12 AM
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No. He is advocating that using ASAP as a weapon against fellow pilots is stupid.
1. Address it one on one with the guy.
2. Go to professional standards (that's what they are there for)
3. Go to the chief pilot if ALL else fails.
Misusing ASAP is the sort of thing that will cause the demise of the program. Don't let your anger cloud your judgement.
1. Address it one on one with the guy.
2. Go to professional standards (that's what they are there for)
3. Go to the chief pilot if ALL else fails.
Misusing ASAP is the sort of thing that will cause the demise of the program. Don't let your anger cloud your judgement.
I had in mind using ASAP as CYA, not a weapon, but with the knowledge that there is no get-out-of-jail-free card for intentional violations. If you'd rather not ASAP, fill out a FCIR, which protects ASAP but has no possibility of redemption for the captain. If the captain goes ahead in the face of all that, I don't have much pity and hope he dances. Don't forget how selfish and corrupt the captain is being here, daring the FO to overlook violations and implicating him for his own ego at the same time.
Summary: the FO has options other than hoping they don't get caught. Use them.
02-24-2018 | 07:22 AM
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I said to tell the captain first. If the captain insists on violating SOP anyway, intentionally implicating the FO, what position does that leave the FO in? Should he stand up, take himself off the trip, call pro standards? Ok, seems a little over-dramatic but sure. It doesn't seem to fit the usual Pro Standards model, and if you stay on the trip in the meantime, you're tacitly acquiescing to the violations. Hope you're not going to get caught.
I had in mind using ASAP as CYA, not a weapon, but with the knowledge that there is no get-out-of-jail-free card for intentional violations. If you'd rather not ASAP, fill out a FCIR, which protects ASAP but has no possibility of redemption for the captain. If the captain goes ahead in the face of all that, I don't have much pity and hope he dances. Don't forget how selfish and corrupt the captain is being here, daring the FO to overlook violations and implicating him for his own ego at the same time.
Summary: the FO has options other than hoping they don't get caught. Use them.
I had in mind using ASAP as CYA, not a weapon, but with the knowledge that there is no get-out-of-jail-free card for intentional violations. If you'd rather not ASAP, fill out a FCIR, which protects ASAP but has no possibility of redemption for the captain. If the captain goes ahead in the face of all that, I don't have much pity and hope he dances. Don't forget how selfish and corrupt the captain is being here, daring the FO to overlook violations and implicating him for his own ego at the same time.
Summary: the FO has options other than hoping they don't get caught. Use them.
02-24-2018 | 08:45 AM
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If the FO addresses things in an appropriate way, he hasn't done anything wrong. Remember, the FOM states that the PIC should be made aware that the SOP is being broken, and if the instruction still stands, the FO is to follow it. Then you talk to the guy after the flight. The FO didn't break the SOP, he followed it. Ergo, nothing to worry about. If he ignores it, and never speaks up to anyone, then yeah he's complicit, and ASAP still isn't the correct venue.
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02-24-2018 | 11:28 AM
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