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Old 03-22-2018 | 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
Barter just has to put up so,e real money in the 2013 PEA and he would have received a NO vote. Today’s Contract is the same as 2013. They don’t want to pay. So now they get a nasty pilot group. That doesn’t mix well with the rainbow happy unicorn brand. So they’ll pay one way or another.


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Right, but what did they say the first time that got the Pilots to vote no?
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Old 03-22-2018 | 06:24 AM
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Right, but what did they say the first time that got the Pilots to vote no?
They used the DR model works! Then they implemented the 5 Docs. And changed the FOM and FSM at will. Then came up with up a crappy 2013 PEA. WELCOME ALPA!

And ALPA can suck it about now too. They need to use some lobby $$ and work for us. I’m not bashing the NC or MEC I’m bashing big fat overstuffed national alpa. Putting jblue pilots on the cover of theor magazine. Great. This is the same magazine that every January they brag about how many members they have. That to me is a multiplication equation where the product equals the $100,000,000+/yr they collect in annual dues. As a matter of fact I’ll have my 5th grader roll that problem tonight. Tim C can run those numbers in his gold plated bannister bed too.


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Old 03-22-2018 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
They used the DR model works! Then they implemented the 5 Docs. And changed the FOM and FSM at will. Then came up with up a crappy 2013 PEA. WELCOME ALPA!

And ALPA can suck it about now too. They need to use some lobby $$ and work for us. I’m not bashing the NC or MEC I’m bashing big fat overstuffed national alpa. Putting jblue pilots on the cover of theor magazine. Great. This is the same magazine that every January they brag about how many members they have. That to me is a multiplication equation where the product equals the $100,000,000+/yr they collect in annual dues. As a matter of fact I’ll have my 5th grader roll that problem tonight. Tim C can run those numbers in his gold plated bannister bed too.


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I think there are legal hurdles to using union money to lobby or contribute to campaigns for members in our districts. That's why Alpa has a separate PAC, it's more free to make political contributions.

Then you have our membership, which is largely opposed to contributing anything to Democrat candidates campaigns for political reasons. Of course our HQ and focus cities are all D representatives.

TWU has a different membership makeup, so their membership is more agreeable to D campaign contributions.
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Old 03-22-2018 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
I think there are legal hurdles to using union money to lobby or contribute to campaigns for members in our districts. That's why Alpa has a separate PAC, it's more free to make political contributions.

Then you have our membership, which is largely opposed to contributing anything to Democrat candidates campaigns for political reasons. Of course our HQ and focus cities are all D representatives.

TWU has a different membership makeup, so their membership is more agreeable to D campaign contributions.

If their membership was even asked. But yes I would assume they lean dem.
Pilots are the oddball union.
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Old 03-22-2018 | 07:20 AM
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Who gives a $hit with political affiliations. This is a major union leaning on whoever they have to lean on to move the needle. TWU was started by hard hitting Irish NY Transit workers that knew how to move the needle. I’m starting a TWU card drive for Jb Pilots. Wake up ALPA!!!! Too many steak dinners and twice baked potatoes. Push! Push! Push! Show me where the 1.9% goes or I’m going to start helping out.

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Old 03-22-2018 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
Who gives a $hit with political affiliations. This is a major union leaning on whoever they have to lean on to move the needle. TWU was started by hard hitting Irish NY Transit workers that knew how to move the needle. I’m starting a TWU card drive for Jb Pilots. Wake up ALPA!!!! Too many steak dinners and twice baked potatoes. Push! Push! Push! Show me where the 1.9% goes or I’m going to start helping out.

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To answer your first question, most of our national membership.
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Old 03-22-2018 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
To answer your first question, most of our national membership.
The national membership should see there are 3,500 pilots without a contract. Then, they should demand that ALPA put some heat on the NY, FL and MA politicians who can make a call to the Labor Department or their buddies at JB ELT. Where are those pics of Robin with his feet up on Pocahontas’s desk?

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Old 03-22-2018 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
Who gives a $hit with political affiliations. This is a major union leaning on whoever they have to lean on to move the needle. TWU was started by hard hitting Irish NY Transit workers that knew how to move the needle. I’m starting a TWU card drive for Jb Pilots. Wake up ALPA!!!! Too many steak dinners and twice baked potatoes. Push! Push! Push! Show me where the 1.9% goes or I’m going to start helping out.

-Bubs
I like the idea of making ALPA compete. Their performance vs. cost vs. time is unacceptable since they have a monopoly. I’ve never been a fan our their inefficiencies such as high expense hotels, paying a fortune for I.T. hardware and software, questionable conferences, and of course staffing and printing the stupid magazine.

The Dept. Of Labor has a variety of reports that will infuriate you when you see what ALPA spends OUR money on...

National ALPA’s File number is 000-179.

You can use this link to find their expense reports (LM-n.... series of forms). https://olms.dol-esa.gov/query/getOrgQryResult.do

Look at the LM-2 for ALPA national.

I’m on ALPAs side but they need to count pennies. Fancy hotels, catering, magazines, and conferences need to go. I remember not too long ago, in the USAF, they cut all the conference budgets and forced everyone to use video conferencing or similar technologies. Instead of Office 365 subscriptions they should use LibreOffice and other open-source (free) software.








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Old 03-22-2018 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
The national membership should see there are 3,500 pilots without a contract. Then, they should demand that ALPA put some heat on the NY, FL and MA politicians who can make a call to the Labor Department or their buddies at JB ELT. Where are those pics of Robin with his feet up on Pocahontas’s desk?

-Bubs
We can all have a nice talk about how things "should" be.
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Old 03-22-2018 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
Who gives a $hit with political affiliations. This is a major union leaning on whoever they have to lean on to move the needle. TWU was started by hard hitting Irish NY Transit workers that knew how to move the needle. I’m starting a TWU card drive for Jb Pilots. Wake up ALPA!!!! Too many steak dinners and twice baked potatoes. Push! Push! Push! Show me where the 1.9% goes or I’m going to start helping out.

-Bubs

Yeah a TWU card drive SMFH

Do it.
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