JetBlue finally has come to the table
05-16-2018, 09:24 AM
#181
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Sure, and Airtran pilots weren't cowering in the fetal position just happy to be there either.
But I did ask specifically about our pay, work rules and benefits.
How have they been the last several years compared to our peers?
You think it's totally fair for a JB pilot to talk down to a former Airtran pilot about being the "Mesa of the Majors"?
But I did ask specifically about our pay, work rules and benefits.
How have they been the last several years compared to our peers?
You think it's totally fair for a JB pilot to talk down to a former Airtran pilot about being the "Mesa of the Majors"?
Good job shifting the argument. I talked about what we could be proud of. Notice I didn’t talk about pay and work rules. Heck I wasn’t even sticking up for hyper. You know you get all over me if you think I’m attacking you but sometimes I think you intentionally take things out of context to argue a point.
Am I proud of our work rules or pay F no but I am damn proud of our choice to vote in ALPA of the 700 guys that froze around lsc, of an AIP and a future contract built from scratch and to be part of the group that votes on our first ever contract. But I already said that.
05-16-2018, 09:26 AM
#182
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
I don't know... It takes longer to read and comprehend a CBA than a PEA?
The company wants to tell investors that we're done with the fleet review and don't want us to steel their thunder with C rates?
We're buying Frontier?
United is buying us?
it's sealed up like a vault. I've got no good intel.
The company wants to tell investors that we're done with the fleet review and don't want us to steel their thunder with C rates?
We're buying Frontier?
United is buying us?
it's sealed up like a vault. I've got no good intel.
Oh I think one of those is close.
05-16-2018, 09:41 AM
#184
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I’d say there are maybe 10 of you guys out of 3500+ pilots making arguments on this site. No matter what the TA will say, chances are the 85% vote will be a yes. If everyone didn’t care about picking up VDA/RSA over the last 3 years, then you can plan on those same people voting yes to a 20% pay raise, 16% 401K, better RSV rules and having sick/vacation leave instead of PTO. Those are just educated numbers and scenarios, not anything given/proposed. Even if it’s 15%, 15%, better RSV and PTO staying the same, it will pass...
05-16-2018, 09:43 AM
#185
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Originally Posted by Hercbubba
I’d say there are maybe 10 of you guys out of 3500+ pilots making arguments on this site. No matter what the TA will say, chances are the 85% vote will be a yes. If everyone didn’t care about picking up VDA/RSA over the last 3 years, then you can plan on those same people voting yes to a 19% pay raise, 16% 401K, better RSV rules and having sick/vacation leave instead of PTO. Those are just educated numbers and scenarios, not anything given/proposed. Even if it’s 15%, 15%, better RSV and PTO staying the same, it will pass...
05-16-2018, 09:46 AM
#186
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If they throw in a bonus of 10k or above, it’s a done deal. Think of the pilot corps. All the people over 40 that they regularly hire, have to pay bills from the last 20 years of debt they had from working at regionals. Money is the answer to 99 out of 100 problems!
05-16-2018, 10:41 AM
#187
The REAL Bluedriver
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Position: Airbus Capt
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
Um that’s not what I said at all.
Good job shifting the argument. I talked about what we could be proud of. Notice I didn’t talk about pay and work rules. Heck I wasn’t even sticking up for hyper. You know you get all over me if you think I’m attacking you but sometimes I think you intentionally take things out of context to argue a point.
Am I proud of our work rules or pay F no but I am damn proud of our choice to vote in ALPA of the 700 guys that froze around lsc, of an AIP and a future contract built from scratch and to be part of the group that votes on our first ever contract. But I already said that.
Good job shifting the argument. I talked about what we could be proud of. Notice I didn’t talk about pay and work rules. Heck I wasn’t even sticking up for hyper. You know you get all over me if you think I’m attacking you but sometimes I think you intentionally take things out of context to argue a point.
Am I proud of our work rules or pay F no but I am damn proud of our choice to vote in ALPA of the 700 guys that froze around lsc, of an AIP and a future contract built from scratch and to be part of the group that votes on our first ever contract. But I already said that.
No need to further the argument.
Beer me.
05-16-2018, 11:00 AM
#188
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
I'm very proud of many of those things as well. But those things weren't the topic of the post you responded to.
No need to further the argument.
Beer me.
No need to further the argument.
Beer me.
Anyway.
Maybe the union is so quiet because the company asked them to be.
I think we all agree that the company didn’t just suddenly have a change of heart and said we love and respect you guys here you go.
Maybe they needed this done to tie in with future growth plans and payscales for aircraft we don’t have yet. Our AIP could have C rates or 321lr stuff in it. So as not to steal the company’s thunder they haven’t put anything out yet. I think tomorrow might clear it up. It’s all a guess and an optimistic guess but something seems to be going on.
Yeah yeah I know big announcement tomorrow......and tomorrow and tomorrow.
05-16-2018, 11:24 AM
#189
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Originally Posted by Hercbubba
If they throw in a bonus of 10k or above, it’s a done deal. Think of the pilot corps. All the people over 40 that they regularly hire, have to pay bills from the last 20 years of debt they had from working at regionals. Money is the answer to 99 out of 100 problems!
I sincerely hope you are joking.
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05-16-2018, 12:44 PM
#190
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by pilotpayne
I prefer bourbon.
Anyway.
Maybe the union is so quiet because the company asked them to be.
I think we all agree that the company didn’t just suddenly have a change of heart and said we love and respect you guys here you go.
Maybe they needed this done to tie in with future growth plans and payscales for aircraft we don’t have yet. Our AIP could have C rates or 321lr stuff in it. So as not to steal the company’s thunder they haven’t put anything out yet. I think tomorrow might clear it up. It’s all a guess and an optimistic guess but something seems to be going on.
Yeah yeah I know big announcement tomorrow......and tomorrow and tomorrow.
Anyway.
Maybe the union is so quiet because the company asked them to be.
I think we all agree that the company didn’t just suddenly have a change of heart and said we love and respect you guys here you go.
Maybe they needed this done to tie in with future growth plans and payscales for aircraft we don’t have yet. Our AIP could have C rates or 321lr stuff in it. So as not to steal the company’s thunder they haven’t put anything out yet. I think tomorrow might clear it up. It’s all a guess and an optimistic guess but something seems to be going on.
Yeah yeah I know big announcement tomorrow......and tomorrow and tomorrow.
But yes, you may well be right on the above.
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