E190 no VOR/DME approaches

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06-12-2018, 01:34 PM

TCASTESTOK

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E190 no VOR/DME approaches

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E190 crew requests the RNP for 22L instead of the VOR approach but gets initially denied. Eventually given the Visual.
KJFK-NY-App-ROBER-May-26-2018-1630ZJetBlue-2.mp3

06-12-2018, 01:37 PM

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E190 crew requests the RNP for 22L instead of the VOR approach but gets initially denied. Eventually given the Visual.
KJFK-NY-App-ROBER-May-26-2018-1630ZJetBlue-2.mp3

Lol thanks for that. It has a coded descent angle so it can do it.

06-12-2018, 01:40 PM

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E190 crew requests the RNP for 22L instead of the VOR approach but gets initially denied. Eventually given the Visual.
KJFK-NY-App-ROBER-May-26-2018-1630ZJetBlue-2.mp3

There is an angle so they can do it. Just no dive and drives.

Edit: oops he beat me to it

06-12-2018, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TCASTESTOK

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E190 crew requests the RNP for 22L instead of the VOR approach but gets initially denied. Eventually given the Visual.
KJFK-NY-App-ROBER-May-26-2018-1630ZJetBlue-2.mp3

Just did it today. It doesn’t mention (GPS) on the chart so there maybe a little initial hang up there for some folks however echoing all above, it contains a CDA in the FMS, so it is ok to accept the approach as published.

06-12-2018, 04:36 PM

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Add 50ft, press Nav, go to hotel and have beer.

Why do people make this so hard?!?

I kid...

06-12-2018, 05:10 PM

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Not a JetBlue guy but that controller was a real tool. When someone says they’re unable then just deal with it. They could have had some equipment MEL’ed or who knows what. He doesn’t need to start some ridiculous investigation on frequency.

06-12-2018, 09:45 PM

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So a flight crew doesn't understand the SOP, and it's the controller who is the problem? Seems legit...

The controller was confused why they are the only JetBlue plane that cannot accept the approach. It makes sense for him to ask why.

06-12-2018, 11:04 PM

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Didn’t you all have each recurrent 190 crew do the VOR13L last year with emphasis on telling crews that we can do VOR approaches with CDAs? Wasn’t that also in a QDL? Both of those guys went to recurrent last year...it wasn’t a newhire in the right seat. Those guys are both JFK based, and that’s not an unusual approach there. Weird.

06-12-2018, 11:25 PM

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Odd to ask for the RNP 22L as well. ATC in US refers to approaches as RNAV Y 22L, or RNAV Z 22L. Only JAR OPS/ICAO uses RNP or RNP AR terminology. Confusing as to which approach he was requesting.

06-13-2018, 04:00 AM

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Odd to ask for the RNP 22L as well. ATC in US refers to approaches as RNAV Y 22L, or RNAV Z 22L. Only JAR OPS/ICAO uses RNP or RNP AR terminology. Confusing as to which approach he was requesting.

The chart has RNP in the title. That’s probably the least confusing thing about the whole ordeal. Just a couple of guys who don’t understand what they can and can’t do. Not really safety related so not a huge deal. Unless they diverted because of it.