Now that I’m looking at that section, I read 24.W.2 the same as you: “STATUS” as in “Pilot”, at which point they’d be covered by section 4.

Weird they buried that little nugget all the way at the bottom of section 24. Would have been easy to just put under Compensation.

I am a little curious about the $2000 number, it’s $2500 in the PEA. Where’d that come from?

 

You imply that you read enough of the TA to know more than others. Guess you should read it a few more times. Specifically 24.W.2, but probably the whole thing since you clearly don’t understand all of what you voted on. That’s the “Sad!” part.

 

It was changed a couple years ago from $2500 per month to $2000 per month plus an allowance of $24 per day to spend at the Lodge on food. I don't know what it will be if the TA passes, but my guess is it won't be covered by the TA, so the company can set it where they need to. It could be first year rates at 80 hours per month, but I don't think that's a sure thing.

 

PEA doesn’t apply to anyone hired after ALPA was voted in. Only place I’ve seen newhire pay written is in the offer letter. Summary of offer letter for newhires: “Due to ALPA being voted in, we can’t do PEAs anymore. But the PEA rates/rules is still what we are using for anyone not technically working under a PEA in the interim, until a CBA is in place.”

Now the verbatim training pay part:

“During your training at our Orlando Support Center (OSC), you will be compensated $28.57 per hour and receive an additional $26.00 per day in “Lodge Dollars” good for use towards meal expenses only while staying in our JetBlue Lodge. Your stay at the JetBlue Lodge is paid for by JetBlue while in training. To be clear, these rates replace the references to “Initial Training Pay” in Addendum A and Addendum B, Paragraph E in the attached copy of the PEA.”


Hopefully a side letter specifically addresses newhire pay and it’s codified into our CBA.

 

I wasn't complaining buddy, I'm just relaying what the Union told me. Maybe it's too confusing if B6Alpa doesn't even know for sure.

 

There is no clear direction as to what is gonna apply to new hires there is the 24.W.2 yes I know. But my point is some guys are saying here that there is nothing in the TA about new hire training.

 

Oh look... loophole number 105.



This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

 

Oh look.

Queue making the same point over again without any real substance.

In all seriousness, would you be okay with the way Delta's contract is written? Someone smarter than I looked up how many times Delta has "reasonable" in their contract. It was significant. So would you be okay if we had similar wording as Delta's contract? Or is their language to vague as well?

I think you honestly want to write pilot contracts in a new an different way. I also think you say "regional pilot mentality" way to much. Let's just agree we see the world differently, and the value of good scope language and codifying it now is more important to me than it is to you. Neither one of us is wrong. We just view it differently.

Be sure to vote. Friday cannot come soon enough.

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That came out harsher than I wanted it to. You seem like a good enough dude who is just ****ed with where you are in life. You seem to just say, "regional pilot mentality" to folks who don't agree with you. Seems little of you and is slightly aggravating.

Anyway, hope you calm it down after Friday.

 

I wouldn't be ok with the way Delta's contract is written. There is always room for improvement. We must always strive for the better and never rest, even for a second. The airline industry has a ways to go to catch up to other professional fields. For the record, I am pretty happy where I am - in fact this job is just for fun and it's not the focus of my life. I get a decent amount of time off and this job is the easiest I've ever had. I might even have the time to be a university professor. As much as certain people have tried to make things about me, it's not -- I am irrelevant and I will always work in secret and you will never know my work. You would probably be surprised to find some of my work in TA1.



Yes, we see the world differently, but I've also experienced a lot of the world so I do believe differently based on accomplished fact. I haven't spent all my life in the airlines (or even aviation for that matter) so you cannot expect me to agree with most people. I'm quite certain that if the average pilot here took a sabbatical shadowing an Ambassador to another country, shadowing a tech firm CEO, or take a few tours in the military as a high ranking officer, they too would feel differently about this industry and its people when they came back. In the end, all the opposition won't matter because they will not have accomplished anything. Meanwhile, those of us wanting to change things will have done so and none of the naysayers can ever take that away from us. Their negativity is irrelevant to me.



After Friday, regardless of what the outcome is, it's time to further step up the game. There's never really a finish line. Either we have to work on TA 2 (hopefully) or we keep BJ accountable to TA 1 and start working on contract 2. We learn from all the mistakes made up to now and work to not repeat them. BJ is a very weak adversary - I promise you they are quite easy to manipulate to our long term objectives.



This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

 

If all your other posts were in this light. I'd be behind you 100%. Very well said. We are lucky to have you as part of the pilot group.

I hope you can keep this tone with the rest of the group. I'll support you fully.

Why not do union work? I'd much rather have you work helping the union than writing anonymous things on APC.

Thanks for your thoughtful and insightful post.