The TA is finally here
06-25-2018 | 06:36 PM
#131
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A Non-Probationary Pilot will not be disciplined without just cause. Disciplinary action, including, but not limited to, discharge, disciplinary time off, with or without pay, and/or benefits, demotion, or a letter of warning (i.e. Progressive Guidance) will not be imposed until the Company first conducts an impartial, reasonable, and expeditious investigation of the alleged cause.
And how is this possible? This is legally allows the company to use the he-said/she-said kangaroo court of HR to paint whatever narrative they want. The "investigation" should have the ability to be nullified in its entirety if the Pilot or ALPA claims it is incorrect.
Furthermore, there are more vague terms:
- Impartial : defined as? Who is doing the investigation? Someone on BJ's payroll? HR? An ALPA member? An ALPA lawyer?
- Reasonable: defined as? Everyone has different definitions of reasonable.
- Expeditious: oh yeah? so how many days?
So guys like Bozo (who forced himself to ignore my posts so he can retreat to his "safe space") said I should wait to read the TA. Well, I have. It's worse than I could've imagined.
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06-25-2018 | 06:42 PM
#133
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And everyone on here, I'm not trying to convince anyone to vote No. And most of us are stuck here and trying to make it the best place possible, but ask yourselves if there's anything in this TA that's the envy of the industry. Is some guy/gal over at DAL/AA/UAL, be like "oh sh*t, you see what B6 got, I wish we had that"
Juvenile and unrealistic, probably, but can we lead in something besides being late.
If you can answer Yes, be it scope or scheduling, I understand and support the Yes vote, and won't complain if it passes. Except maybe when I hear a DAL captain taking home 70k on profit sharing
Juvenile and unrealistic, probably, but can we lead in something besides being late.
If you can answer Yes, be it scope or scheduling, I understand and support the Yes vote, and won't complain if it passes. Except maybe when I hear a DAL captain taking home 70k on profit sharing
06-25-2018 | 06:46 PM
#134
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The Company is not required to consider Maintenance Ferry Flights and new aircraft delivery Flight Segments as Known Flying.
So MX ferry flights and new airplane deliveries are still done with non-union pilots?
Didn't Delta just get in trouble for accepting their first A350 using non-union pilots? Looks like our language doesn't even prevent them from outsourcing it. So much for the TA...
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06-25-2018 | 06:47 PM
#135
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I don't see any language prohibiting Pilots and their best friends in CS from giving them advanced knowledge of trips not yet in open time....
The scam continues....
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The scam continues....
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06-25-2018 | 06:54 PM
#136
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O. Pass Travel
Pass Travel administration utilizing MyIDTravel (or the equivalent) shall be provided free of charge to all Pilots eligible for travel benefits, regardless of their status (retired, furloughed, on LOA, etc.), so long as it is provided free of charge to any other crewmember (including executive leadership).
Pass Travel administration utilizing MyIDTravel (or the equivalent) shall be provided free of charge to all Pilots eligible for travel benefits, regardless of their status (retired, furloughed, on LOA, etc.), so long as it is provided free of charge to any other crewmember (including executive leadership).
So what stops Joanna from forcing you to sign another contract forcing you to clean toilets? Ready to help push wheelchairs?
There is no language preventing BJ from assigning you to do non-pilot duties as a condition of using pass-riding privileges.
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06-25-2018 | 06:56 PM
#137
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"Our peers" is a false argument based on an arbitrary framework.
There is nothing stopping us or BJ from agreeing to Delta++ everything. I say that only to unconstrain your artificially constrained expectations. The problem is that the MEC's goal was too low.
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06-25-2018 | 07:04 PM
#138
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So what stops Joanna from forcing you to sign another contract forcing you to clean toilets? Ready to help push wheelchairs?
There is no language preventing BJ from assigning you to do non-pilot duties as a condition of using pass-riding privileges.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
There is no language preventing BJ from assigning you to do non-pilot duties as a condition of using pass-riding privileges.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
06-25-2018 | 07:08 PM
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A Duty Period is defined as follows:
1. A Duty Period begins with the earlier of:
a. report time;
b. beginning of a Reserve Availability Period (RAP)
2. A Duty Period ends at the later of:
a. fifteen (15) minutes after the actual block in of the final Flight Segment or
Deadhead;
b. thirty (30) minutes after the actual block in of the final Flight Segment on
an augmented flight;
c. fifteen (15) minutes after scheduled arrival of a Deadhead in the case of a
Self-Deadhead;
d. the end of a Reserve Availability Period (RAP);
e. fifteen (15) minutes after scheduled arrival of LIMO.
1. A Duty Period begins with the earlier of:
a. report time;
b. beginning of a Reserve Availability Period (RAP)
2. A Duty Period ends at the later of:
a. fifteen (15) minutes after the actual block in of the final Flight Segment or
Deadhead;
b. thirty (30) minutes after the actual block in of the final Flight Segment on
an augmented flight;
c. fifteen (15) minutes after scheduled arrival of a Deadhead in the case of a
Self-Deadhead;
d. the end of a Reserve Availability Period (RAP);
e. fifteen (15) minutes after scheduled arrival of LIMO.
"f. Any Pilot performing any functions that benefit the company (such as, but not limited to, cabin cleaning) shall have his duty period begin at the initiation of that duty, converted into the local time zone of pairing initiation."
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
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