Agreed. The problem we are faced with that this airline is inexplicably cheap and uses the guise of "equality" to justify its position on insurance. No employee group will be able to separate themselves as is customary at other carriers. That being said I expect some sort of retribution in some other area instead. The company views regionals as this little nugget unless flown by Jetblue pilots.
The reality is this would never happen simply because of their Brand concern, cost, OTP and a few others so for them to agree to scope did we really have to give something up?

Obviously I'm no industry/financial expert(certified internet blowhard perhaps) but I fell we gave up a ton for things jetblue doesn't really never wanted.

cmsoar, since you mentioned it, I can count on one hand the amount of times emergency extension/OFP clause has ever affected me. If I am late its usually only a few minutes. What did we give up for this?

Again, much of this is my seniority talking but after all these years I don't perceive us to have anything significant that is industry leading or at least close.


And for ****s sake why did we have to give a signing bonus to non-members. I know its labor law but make a point and make them spend money to come after us.

It is. Attempt to make positive contact, wait out your time and leave. The airline is aware it doesn't call people back and the only discipline surrounding this issue is pilots leaving without attempting to make positive contact. In fact, and speaking from experience, if you wait out the longest period IAW FSM/TA call out fatigued for the next day. Been paid EVERY TIME. J

3 airlines recents in the past 10 years and I beg to differ.

Jtrain, why do we get to vote on TA's at all? If the NC brings us an objectively bad contract voting no doesn't make you anti union. It means they need to go back with a new mandate and in this case a new NC with some backbone.

I happen to be one of the most pro union person you will ever meet. I personally think the end of the unions is the primary cause of the dying middle class.

I will add, the worst thing that could happen, is this going down in a 51% no vote. The NC would have no ammunition at the table and we would lose months or years. If we all just did what obviously needs to be done and sent this back with a 80%+ NO the pressure would be on Robin to fix this POS contract.

If I gets voted up or down, it will be close. I'll be shocked if it's 60/40 in either direction.

You think it'll be that close? Maybe.
This will change but lets call the bookie; 64-35 Pro TA. 1% will forget to vote.
Ill take 60 as the over. :)

i'll go with 68-29 with 3% not voting.

I'm betting 55/45, for TA. It might get to 60/40. Maybe.

100%, but you've made it clear any agreement is objectively bad. You might say different, but you've whined so much over the last six months that it's clear you don't agree with anything ALPA does.

All I can infer from your behavior is that ALPA is the root of all evils. You haven't been willing to listen to the experts on any issue, and we have some absolute experts at ALPA.

Um, do you remember when I advocated helping the company a few months back? I (like an idiot), thought we had a decent TA. Why else give up the summer? I would absolutely vote yes to a market rate contract. This ain't even close.

Have you watched the videos? Read the FAQ? Educated yourseld? Because the contract is market rate.

You might not like what that is, but to disagree is to call the NC liars, because they're calling this a market rate agreement. You want more? You want industry leading in every category, which is not what were looking at.

But don't call that market rate.