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Originally Posted by jtrain609
(Post 2625402)
Have you watched the videos? Read the FAQ? Educated yourseld? Because the contract is market rate.
You might not like what that is, but to disagree is to call the NC liars, because they're calling this a market rate agreement. You want more? You want industry leading in every category, which is not what were looking at. But don't call that market rate. |
Originally Posted by jtrain609
(Post 2625402)
Have you watched the videos? Read the FAQ? Educated yourseld? Because the contract is market rate.
You might not like what that is, but to disagree is to call the NC liars, because they're calling this a market rate agreement. You want more? You want industry leading in every category, which is not what were looking at. But don't call that market rate. Alaska + $1 = market rate? 2% Cola adjustment = market rate? Snack boxes on trans cons = market rate? DRO the day before = market rate? Our profit sharing = market rate? Cleaning airplanes while commuting = market rate? Not being able to sit in first class or give it to OAL pilots commuting = market rate? Line holders sitting airport standby = market rate? The dependability policy = market rate? Having to submit to a company medical exam at a whim = market rate? Giving up OE pairings=market rate? Outsourcing our part 91 flying=market rate? (I get having a test pilot on some of them, but that isn't the only outsourced pilot we allow.) Having nearly zero say in future aircraft pay rates = market rate? Unlimited domestic and international codesharing = market rate? Whatever the heck our retirement healthcare is = market rate? (It may be, I honestly don't understand it but it varies significantly from what everyone else has.) Pilot funded disability=market rate? And on and on. J train, I have watched the sales pitch videos where they gloss over all the giveaways. I have read it multiple times. I have presented facts and compared it to what our peers have. It falls short in almost every category. You (and the union) point at the few gains and shout "Its market rate!" while ignoring the vast majority of the TA which is far below what even the regionals have. |
Originally Posted by PasserOGas
(Post 2625427)
Alaska + $1 = market rate?
2% Cola adjustment = market rate? Snack boxes on trans cons = market rate? DRO the day before = market rate? Our profit sharing = market rate? Cleaning airplanes while commuting = market rate? Not being able to sit in first class or give it to OAL pilots commuting = market rate? Line holders sitting airport standby = market rate? The dependability policy = market rate? Having to submit to a company medical exam at a whim = market rate? Giving up OE pairings=market rate? Outsourcing our part 91 flying=market rate? (I get having a test pilot on some of them, but that isn't the only outsourced pilot we allow.) Having nearly zero say in future aircraft pay rates = market rate? Unlimited domestic and international codesharing = market rate? Whatever the heck our retirement healthcare is = market rate? (It may be, I honestly don't understand it but it varies significantly from what everyone else has.) Pilot funded disability=market rate? And on and on. J train, I have watched the sales pitch videos where they gloss over all the giveaways. I have read it multiple times. I have presented facts and compared it to what our peers have. It falls short in almost every category. You (and the union) point at the few gains and shout "Its market rate!" while ignoring the vast majority of the TA which is far below what even the regionals have. Nice post. |
Originally Posted by MacrossJet
(Post 2625413)
Bro, bro... bro. You're a hack!
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
(Post 2625427)
Alaska + $1 = market rate?
2% Cola adjustment = market rate? Snack boxes on trans cons = market rate? DRO the day before = market rate? Our profit sharing = market rate? Cleaning airplanes while commuting = market rate? Not being able to sit in first class or give it to OAL pilots commuting = market rate? Line holders sitting airport standby = market rate? The dependability policy = market rate? Having to submit to a company medical exam at a whim = market rate? Giving up OE pairings=market rate? Outsourcing our part 91 flying=market rate? (I get having a test pilot on some of them, but that isn't the only outsourced pilot we allow.) Having nearly zero say in future aircraft pay rates = market rate? Unlimited domestic and international codesharing = market rate? Whatever the heck our retirement healthcare is = market rate? (It may be, I honestly don't understand it but it varies significantly from what everyone else has.) Pilot funded disability=market rate? And on and on. J train, I have watched the sales pitch videos where they gloss over all the giveaways. I have read it multiple times. I have presented facts and compared it to what our peers have. It falls short in almost every category. You (and the union) point at the few gains and shout "Its market rate!" while ignoring the vast majority of the TA which is far below what even the regionals have. You might not LIKE that these things are industry standard, but they are. You've refused to educate yourself, and have taken your anger out on the union. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. |
Originally Posted by jtrain609
(Post 2625534)
See? Attacking the union while making up lies, because every one of those points are covered in the videos, FAQ, or contract comparison guide.
You might not LIKE that these things are industry standard, but they are. You've refused to educate yourself, and have taken your anger out on the union. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. |
Can anyone clarify the extension policy? The Hours of Service video makes it sound like there are no more extensions but Section 25.K is FDP Extensions. What am I missing?
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
(Post 2625427)
Alaska + $1 = market rate?
2% Cola adjustment = market rate? Snack boxes on trans cons = market rate? DRO the day before = market rate? Our profit sharing = market rate? Cleaning airplanes while commuting = market rate? Not being able to sit in first class or give it to OAL pilots commuting = market rate? Line holders sitting airport standby = market rate? The dependability policy = market rate? Having to submit to a company medical exam at a whim = market rate? Giving up OE pairings=market rate? Outsourcing our part 91 flying=market rate? (I get having a test pilot on some of them, but that isn't the only outsourced pilot we allow.) Having nearly zero say in future aircraft pay rates = market rate? Unlimited domestic and international codesharing = market rate? Whatever the heck our retirement healthcare is = market rate? (It may be, I honestly don't understand it but it varies significantly from what everyone else has.) Pilot funded disability=market rate? And on and on. J train, I have watched the sales pitch videos where they gloss over all the giveaways. I have read it multiple times. I have presented facts and compared it to what our peers have. It falls short in almost every category. You (and the union) point at the few gains and shout "Its market rate!" while ignoring the vast majority of the TA which is far below what even the regionals have. |
Originally Posted by Baba Yaga
(Post 2625683)
Alaska +1 only at DOS after that they are ahead.
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Originally Posted by nuball5
(Post 2625685)
Alaska rates that were also determined by an Arbitrator, so maybe mediation would have earned them even higher rates. Although I'd be willing to bet they'd accept less to ensure that SKW/Horizon didn't do half their flying.
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