Do you marry the first girl you meet because you fear being alone for the rest of your life?


No.


Fear arguments are not logical. This is business and there are gambles. Anything significant in life is not easy. If you want instant gratification, you will further turn BJ into a Regional where we perpetually compromise. The current TA is a HUGE compromise. A merger or sale is just as likely or unlikely as a meteor strike ending all life tomorrow morning.



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You under-estimate our abilities, but then you are a textbook case of a defeatist. BJ is not a particularly difficult adversary. They have known vulnerabilities. It's just ALPA doesn't want to engage *at all*.



Instead of trying to sell us short because you're accustomed to being in last place, try instead to raise your standards and demand better.



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I would love to vote yes but... the abysmal pay rates for the C series and 190, terrible health care, PTO sell back, 2% COLA raise per year and horrible language implementation have me leaning NO! But wait!!!... we have sh!tty scope so I should go to a union meeting! Guess what, I do attend meetings and I’m not impressed. I’m paying my bills just fine with our terrible PEA... I want to back the NC but they need to go back and try a Little harder. Cheers. 11B

190/195 is top for the type. credibility points off for "abysmal."

you think we can do better in this healthcare environment? i voted in a union so we didnt have to endure another unilateral change. I didnt expect the moon on this, personally.

not good. agreed.


did you kick the can down the road and vote no to the union the first and second drive too, because it would take years to get a CBA? How'd that work out? BJ isn't going to work on implementing this thing without it signed...if you dont know that...you haven't been here long.

I dont know where you're going with this, but if we're looking at scope, which I think most of us are and should be, are we prepared to continue on without protections? is the PEA going to keep paying the bills when your 190 gets outsourced to Skywest?

Thats the question. Is what you want them to go back for achievable? and how long will it take to achieve it? history shows BJ punishes pilots for voting against securities (i.e. vote no to union, crush the healthcare).

How is the scope bad?

It has no RJ's.

It has already engaged in code share choke, a place the legacy carriers haven't even gotten to yet, and parts of the scope section are industry leading.

You may not think that's good enough, but you can either back your union or back the company.

I stand behind the union.

What airlines have E2 rates? E195-E2 is a new airplane, and it’s a stretch from the original E195. It is larger and holds more than a CS100. You want to argue our 100 seat E190 rates are great, fine. I disagree. But our 128 seat 195E2 rates should match our CS100 rates, which themselves are far below delta’s CS100 and 717 rates and not close to industry standard. We set the industry bar for the E195-E2 with this TA...and just like we set the E190 bar way low back in the day, we did it again with the E195E2 and CS100, when we had an opportunity to place them up in delta CS100/717 territory. You don’t want to make as much as delta? Find, drop their rates a few bucks. But don’t say we should be $35-$50/hr behind delta in the 110-120 seat planes, unless you have low self-worth.

Also...I know this is a shocker...but it is possible to raise e190 rates well above the industry standard, especially when no one else flies them. We aren’t bound by anything to accept garbage rates just because ghost rates everywhere else suck after they patterned off of our b scale rates when we were the launch customer.

I stand behind the union. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with everything they say or do, or with this TA. 5 MEC members, who obviously support the union, voted no. Don’t think you are bound to vote yes just bc it (barely) passed the MEC vote...and don’t think you are required to support everything in it for the same reason. You don’t have to like it, or not like it...just decide whether or not it’s meets your expectations.

And as for the codeshare choke comment...we haven’t even started engaging in real domestic codesharing yet. If the company was at a codeshare choke point and didn’t care about the ability to expand them significantly, we would have more limits to it in this TA. They have a reason they insisted on almost limitless codesharing, so long as we have a block hour, one pilot, and/or one percent growth.

Remember when everyone said "Don't worry about the terrible payrates! The work rules will make up for them!"?

I don't hear that anymore. Actually it seems like the yes crowd would rather not bring them up at all. Does anyone really believe we aren't lowering the bar with this TA?

I’ve been wondering the same thing. The work rules were going to blow us away. The language was going to be amazing.

Like this language:

Aug 20XX
Sched to fly the CS300, but the company changes it to a CS100.

What pay rate do I get?
3.b pay rate for the actual aircraft flown.

Please tell me I'm wrong or this is industry standard?