And yet they can standby in first class (without cleaning the plane) and get real food, not snack boxes as crew meals.

Everyone needs to go to b6alpa.org and take a look at the Q&A and also the new Contract Comparison Guide.

-Bubs

I voted NO to the 2017 raise. Knowing something bad was about to happen. Did you vote yes?

Anyways, yes it’s 13/14. Which is better than 12. So when I was sooo wasted on whatever I typed 15. It’s a contractual gain. Now, I’ll go back to my illicit extracurriculars, and reiterate the need to VOTE YES.

-Bubs

It is possible that the old ASA side contract had it, and it is now gone. But when I was there 6 years ago on the CRJ side, if you had a trip with 6 hours the first day, 2 the second, and 6 the last day, that would pay 17 hours.

I know this because I was shocked my first month after training when the pay didn't work out that way. I was naive, and thought that it was standard, and didn't realize that 5 hours per duty period was different than 5 hours per day.

That being said, the 5 hours average per day is an improvement for us, and 5 hours minimum per day is not industry standard. It may not even exist in the industry anywhere any longer. The 2007 ASA contract had some really great work rules...which is why the company wanted to get rid of it so badly after the merger.

There's nothing wrong with taking a good work rule, and adopting it at your airline. Where it comes from is really irrelevant. That rule was a good one, and evidently was industry leading. I didn't realize it at the time.

Where is Southerner and is he OK? Give me back my nemesis. He completes me.

I want to see the comparison guide using 2020 numbers, about when this TA should be fully implemented. It’s going to look a lot different from the current one....

You voted no... to a raise, that in the end would have resulted in the same outcome but less money in your pay check? What? You do understand that they were changing regardless of if we got more or not right?

There was no vote. It was take more more money we’re doing this. Or. Stay the same we’re doing this.

Your getbthat right?

Voting no on that raise was like voting against the sun rising tomorrow. :-)

Just to play devils advocate for a second, but how to we implement meals for our crews, when the only aircraft that actually have full meals are Mint 321s? What about 190 guys? Or 320 guys that just do core flying? When you say meals, do you mean a cold sandwich that can be kept on ice, or are you looking for a hot meal like other companies provide their pilots? The 190 doesn't have an oven or cooling system to keep even a catered meal fresh or heated. Even if they gave us catered meals, where would we keep them? I mean I agree, I think we should be getting actual meals for flights over X hours. The only comparison I have is my regional days. Our 175s had first class seats which had first class meals on ice, but even those would get nasty sometimes if they weren't eaten in a certain amount of time.

I agree 100% about the first class thing. It's ridiculous that we as employees can't be seated in MINT. I've non-reved before and had to explain to my wife why there were 3 open mint seats in front of us, and why were weren't sitting in them, when back in my regional days we were able to cross the pond a couple times in Delta One for almost zero cost to us.