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pilotpayne 06-27-2018 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 2623093)
Ah- imitation is the sincerest form of.. Well you know.
Hows life today BD?

I like BD but I always laugh when he plays this card. I haven’t seen much “shouting down” but actually a pretty good debate. He certainly has valid points. But it was a little dramatic to say.

PasserOGas 06-27-2018 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by rvr1800 (Post 2623087)
I’d also love to hear about this flexibility you get on reserve. Work more days and make the same or less money. Reserve grid red for the summer. Working free after you hit 75 hours and have reserve days remaining.

I haven’t found one thing that’s worse about the TA reserve section.

The not working for free is an improvement, albeit a very rarely used one currently. That will change when junior guys bid LCR and get used non stop.

The "extra day off" and LCR came out of the current PRL and LCR bucket. Cost neutral. The new reserve rules are more or less cost neutral, and allow senior people to absolutely bend over junior people.

rvr1800 06-27-2018 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 2623102)
The not working for free is an improvement, albeit a very rarely used one currently. That will change when junior guys bid LCR and get used non stop.

The "extra day off" and LCR came out of the current PRL and LCR bucket. Cost neutral. The new reserve rules are more or less cost neutral, and allow senior people to absolutely bend over junior people.

That’s all just about completely wrong.

Let’s start with the rarely working for free one. Wrong. It’s about to happen to me this month for the second month in a row.

Let’s move on to the increased days off at the cost of PRL’s and LCR. Wrong. PRL’s are never guaranteed and we won’t see any until September. Same goes for LCR. I have NEVER had one single day of LCR as a CA here.

And the cost neutral claim you like to make about every section. Wrong! More guaranteed days off, earlier DRO, no starts before 1000/1400 on day one. Earlier auto-release on the last day, ability to bid 18 days on in a row and the company has to figure out your 30/7 rest, delayed past 0300 now pays an extra day or requires compensatory day off. Those all cost the company money and are all significant improvements in the reserve section.

I could go on but I won’t because it’ll fall on your “cost neutral” deaf ears.

Bozo the pilot 06-27-2018 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 2623100)
I like BD but I always laugh when he plays this card. I haven’t seen much “shouting down” but actually a pretty good debate. He certainly has valid points. But it was a little dramatic to say.

Oh fun times indeed. And ahead.

Bozo the pilot 06-27-2018 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 2623102)
The not working for free is an improvement, albeit a very rarely used one currently. That will change when junior guys bid LCR and get used non stop.

The "extra day off" and LCR came out of the current PRL and LCR bucket. Cost neutral. The new reserve rules are more or less cost neutral, and allow senior people to absolutely bend over junior people.

Have you consulted anyone or are these just presumptions Passer?
If you have consulted someone, who are they and can I ask them a few questions myself?
Serious inquiry.

say again 06-27-2018 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 2623085)
Hey go be a yes voter on bluepilots and watch the fun.

That site is f@cking pathetic!!

Bluedriver 06-27-2018 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 2623093)
Ah- imitation is the sincerest form of.. Well you know.
Hows life today BD?

Life? Pretty good honestly. You?

say again 06-27-2018 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by rvr1800 (Post 2623108)
That’s all just about completely wrong.

Let’s start with the rarely working for free one. Wrong. It’s about to happen to me this month for the second month in a row.

Let’s move on to the increased days off at the cost of PRL’s and LCR. Wrong. PRL’s are never guaranteed and we won’t see any until September. Same goes for LCR. I have NEVER had one single day of LCR as a CA here.

And the cost neutral claim you like to make about every section. Wrong! More guaranteed days off, earlier DRO, no starts before 1000/1400 on day one. Earlier auto-release on the last day, ability to bid 18 days on in a row and the company has to figure out your 30/7 rest, delayed past 0300 now pays an extra day or requires compensatory day off. Those all cost the company money and are all significant improvements in the reserve section.

I could go on but I won’t because it’ll fall on your “cost neutral” deaf ears.


No, just no! That can't be. This thing is a complete turd. There's no good in it. :rolleyes::p

Bozo the pilot 06-27-2018 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2623116)
Life? Pretty good honestly. You?

Yes BD.
My offer always stands to chat ex-parte. Id say there is more we agree with than that we disagree.
I remain curious about your thoughts on each section.

Bluedriver 06-27-2018 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 2623135)
Yes BD.
My offer always stands to chat ex-parte. Id say there is more we agree with than that we disagree.
I remain curious about your thoughts on each section.

I will unfortunately be unable to speak with any APC members outside of this site besides the ones I know personally as we have one or more other members among us who seek to destroy careers because they don't like being asked to defend the positions they take with logic and reason.

We are all entitled to our own individual opinion, but if you are going to express an opinion in an open forum, you should also share the main reasons you hold that opinion.


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