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Bluedriver 06-27-2018 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by hyperboy (Post 2623367)
I am pro pilot! Always will be you? What have you done for this pilot group?

You literally picked Blue driver for your avatar! Of all the avatars out there that is what you picked fettish with Blue?

You one of those guys that don’t pay your union dues? become a member in good standing and quit hiding?

Keep going! Just 3 more pilot career kills and you get Skinner's old job! You're almost there...

hyperboy 06-27-2018 05:36 PM

[QUOTE=Bluedriver;2623376]Keep going! Just 3 more pilot career kills and you get Skinner's old job! You're almost


Blue driver loves Blue, does not help out this pilot group at all, all out for himself, makes up lies about fellow union brothers, does not go to his union meetings and hides......

Then wonders why contract does not meet his expectations?

littlefuz 06-27-2018 05:49 PM

Any change in training pay?
 
What is the training pay during intial training? Has it changed in the new TA. Thanks

Southerner 06-27-2018 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 2623153)
I have BD.
Good luck with all of that. :)

Trying to destroy careers...lol...that guy is freaking paranoid delusional. Jesus.

PasserOGas 06-27-2018 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by rvr1800 (Post 2623108)
That’s all just about completely wrong.

Let’s start with the rarely working for free one. Wrong. It’s about to happen to me this month for the second month in a row.

Let’s move on to the increased days off at the cost of PRL’s and LCR. Wrong. PRL’s are never guaranteed and we won’t see any until September. Same goes for LCR. I have NEVER had one single day of LCR as a CA here.

And the cost neutral claim you like to make about every section. Wrong! More guaranteed days off, earlier DRO, no starts before 1000/1400 on day one. Earlier auto-release on the last day, ability to bid 18 days on in a row and the company has to figure out your 30/7 rest, delayed past 0300 now pays an extra day or requires compensatory day off. Those all cost the company money and are all significant improvements in the reserve section.

I could go on but I won’t because it’ll fall on your “cost neutral” deaf ears.

You act like I know nothing of reserve.

First, I said it was rarely Not never used. I sit reserve. I have broken guarantee 2 months a year, in the summer, on average. So no doubt it does happen and it's good we have the language to address it.

How much does an earlier DRO cost? Also, what is the DRO time at DAL?

I will ask that again since the answer highlights how substandard our new reserve is.

What time is the DRO released at DAL?

The day off coming out of the companies budget of PRL days is straight from ALPA's mouth.

LCR will be doing all the crap flying. It is also the only sort of reserve where the bypass language means anything. The junior guys on LCR will hate life.

The junior guys on SCR will be on Silo D every day. Look at the language.

If that isn't the junior guys getting reamed I don't know what is.

I guess I should say it will be more or less cost neutral. Certainly there are improvements. But it is well below industry standard.

What time is the DRO released at DAL again?

BeatNavy 06-27-2018 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by littlefuz (Post 2623399)
What is the training pay during intial training? Has it changed in the new TA. Thanks

Only thing I saw in the TA regarding newhire pay is that the cutover occurs after the LOE. Didn’t see any published training pay rates.

Rabid Seagull 06-27-2018 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2623246)
I didn't see that yet. That was a PEA thing, is it in the TA?

Downgrade language is in the FOM and also printed on the the coversheet of the system bid. There never was a status/seat lock on downgrades, but will be soon.

I have calmed down from my characterization on the TA reserve section...only because BJ has 1.5 years to implement it...a double joke.:rolleyes:

Bluedriver 06-27-2018 10:46 PM


Originally Posted by Southerner (Post 2623413)
Trying to destroy careers...lol...that guy is freaking paranoid delusional. Jesus.

Maybe you missed the part where he is always asking us to give up our identities? I don't think he wants to buy me coffee.

Bluedriver 06-27-2018 10:53 PM

[QUOTE=hyperboy;2623391]

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2623376)
Keep going! Just 3 more pilot career kills and you get Skinner's old job! You're almost


Blue driver loves Blue, does not help out this pilot group at all, all out for himself, makes up lies about fellow union brothers, does not go to his union meetings and hides......

Then wonders why contract does not meet his expectations?

Keep going Hyper! If you can just de-identify 3 more internet pilots you get called up to the corner cubicle on the 2nd floor in LSC! Right next to the break cubicle!

We talking about the same union "brother" who is determined to uncover the identity of his other union pilots for the purpose of identifying them to company management?

And the union "brother" who outright lies about me not paying dues?

Go play in traffic and take your other Special Olympics non-lanyard rump-buddy with you.

P-3Bubba 06-28-2018 02:05 AM

RiddleEagle has said it well in the past couple of days too. JB management isn’t going to capitulate at the negotiating table. This process is going to DRAG on for 6-12 months. And guess what? If you voted “NO” to this TA then by principal you’ll be forced to vote no to the next TA. Because whatever new language evolves will certainly not fix ALL the holes in this TA. Now we’re talking 12-24 month from now for a TA vote. Show me where that TA will make up for the 2 years of lost wage increases, 401k, Health Seed $, 15 hour redeye 3 days and RSV abuse!

12/31/19 Implementation? Try 12/31/20 with a No vote.

BTW we’re arguing over a TA. Remember that today and tomorrow we work under the PEA. I tuck the PEA under my pillow every night, with a neat little snuggle, knowing it’s got my back while I sleep.

Vote Yes. Start the clock on our future.

-Bubs


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