Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 2624016)

When has a company not tried to limit everything a pilot group has asked for? Why would they let us eliminate it completely? We state our desire, they state their limits. Negotiations.
My point about the length of a 100% restrictive contract is that its not possible. We negotiate to a point where we feel we get enough restriction or at least some restriction and then we move on to the other parts of Scope like FFD/M&A etc. Could we have stipulated more of a growth number? Sure. As well we could have gotten pay higher/benefits and profit sharing. I am okay with the section including the Codesharing language.
I see why you want elimination of codeshares just like SWA, but do you want their work rules. At some point you have to accept the give and take of the process.
In respect BN.

Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 2624016)

When has a company not tried to limit everything a pilot group has asked for? ****Why would they let us eliminate it completely?***** We state our desire, they state their limits. Negotiations.
My point about the length of a 100% restrictive contract is that its not possible. We negotiate to a point where we feel we get enough restriction or at least some restriction and then we move on to the other parts of Scope like FFD/M&A etc. Could we have stipulated more of a growth number? Sure. As well we could have gotten pay higher/benefits and profit sharing. I am okay with the section including the Codesharing language.
I see why you want elimination of codeshares just like SWA, but do you want their work rules. At some point you have to accept the give and take of the process.
In respect BN.

Originally Posted by hyperboy (Post 2624360)

The videos, backed up by...........reading the contract, and FAQ's, contract comparison, and eventually a roadshow have, will and have been very informative. The information is ALL there you just have to do your part. I hope more show the importance of your vote and your career than what your fellow pilot tells you in the cockpit, and what fellow pilots did not do by showing support (for the process) at the last union meeting where you can express your opinion and thoughts as constituents.

There should be no excuse.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2624362)

Your own argument fails itself. They let us scope out RJs completely! So why did they stand so strong on domestic codesharing?

We went in as a union absolutely guns blazing on healthcare improvements and profit sharing improvements. We failed, because the company didn't want to separate us from the other work groups because it would show other work groups that they need to unionize to get good benefits. They (the company) will absolutely not give what they hold sacred.

So, why did they fold like a wet blanket on RJs but build a fortress around domestic codeshare?

I've been trying to explain it....

Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 2624376)

So its SWA or nothing for you- thanks for clarifying.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2624385)

Don't be a moron.

I'M NOT SAYING VOTE NO.

I may very well end up holding my nose and voting YES.

But, I do want us all to know what is likely coming in the future.

That's all Bozo. I know you desperately want this to pass, so you lash out at ANY criticism.

For me, this is just a warning, not a NO campaign.

Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 2624388)

I havent called you names and it appears as though you're the one lashing out BD.
Part of me wants to see how a rejection would play out, and Ive stated that before.
When all you have left is name-calling and rage, your childish approach to people is apparent.
Monitor your blood pressure BD, its peaking.
Lots of luck man.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2624390)

I was just telling you what NOT to be.