Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 2625956)

Ok Cindy so we need to take the first offer we are given because of fear? No thanks. TAs are supposed to be voted on based on their value and merits, not on fear. Fear is an emotion. Don’t vote on emotion. Really wish people would stop being so afraid of the bogeyman when voting on something that affects my family.

If you think the bull market will flip and is gonna tank in the time it takes us to fix this thing, go buy a ton of VXX and short the market. But don’t take me down with you because you are afraid.

Please enlighten me more.

Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 2625956)

Ok Cindy so we need to take the first offer we are given because of fear? No thanks. TAs are supposed to be voted on based on their value and merits, not on fear. Fear is an emotion. Don’t vote on emotion. Really wish people would stop being so afraid of the bogeyman when voting on something that affects my family.

If you think the bull market will flip and is gonna tank in the time it takes us to fix this thing, go buy a ton of VXX and short the market. But don’t take me down with you because you are afraid.

Please enlighten me more.

Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 2625983)

So you're a juggernaut under current book, but fear what B6 will do once they have limits? And Im talking the entire TA.
Gotcha. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 2626001)

Seriously, if you are so sure the market will tank that you are willing to condemn us all to discount wages for our whole careers, you should be getting rich on Wall Street.

Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 2626019)

I live under current book right now. I know the risks. I also know what leverage we have now that we won’t in 3.5-7 years as we negotiate our second contract. 6-12 more months of current book doesn’t scare me. Being locked in a substandard contract for the next 4-8 years is more worrisome, as well as giving some things away that can’t be easily gotten back, especially with less leverage. Not to mention showing mgmt and F&H that we are willing to accept less than market rate as a pilot group.


We disagree on risk tolerance I guess, as well as current and future value, and our self-worth. Did you marry the first chick who talked to you out of fear of being alone forever? I held out and am glad I did. I’ve “held out for more” in lots of things in life, and worked/fought hard to get things I want. I haven’t decided how I will vote yet, but when I do decide, it will be based on the value of the TA over the next 4-8 years in relation to the going rate in the industry, not fear.




Did the union spread “the sky is falling, we have no protection, and the economy will tank so we need to lock this in” rhetoric or did you guys just make it up on your own? I haven’t heard or seen it yet from them. But I see it from a lot of the usual company guys. Not that you are one, just an observation from here, the other forums, and my circle of friends. My juicer friends are the ones who think this TA is great and we need to hurry up and sign before X, Y, or Z happens. Correlation?

Originally Posted by hyperboy (Post 2626066)

I would argue that this is a market rate contract in plenty of ways. Yes I have read and watched all available information as well as contract comparisons across all sections to have this opinion. Is it perfect? No nor am I should have seen my last slamding.

I too, do not not act out of fear. The unknown without Merger and Scope language is REAL though.

IMHO. It is a solid foundation which we would need moving forward for all future contracts moving forward. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 2626019)

I live under current book right now. I know the risks. I also know what leverage we have now that we won’t in 3.5-7 years as we negotiate our second contract. 6-12 more months of current book doesn’t scare me. Being locked in a substandard contract for the next 4-8 years is more worrisome, as well as giving some things away that can’t be easily gotten back, especially with less leverage. Not to mention showing mgmt and F&H that we are willing to accept less than market rate as a pilot group.

We disagree on risk tolerance I guess, as well as current and future value, and our self-worth. Did you marry the first chick who talked to you out of fear of being alone forever? I held out and am glad I did. I’ve “held out for more” in lots of things in life, and worked/fought hard to get things I want. I haven’t decided how I will vote yet, but when I do decide, it will be based on the value of the TA over the next 4-8 years in relation to the going rate in the industry, not fear.

Did the union spread “the sky is falling, we have no protection, and the economy will tank so we need to lock this in” rhetoric or did you guys just make it up on your own? I haven’t heard or seen it yet from them. But I see it from a lot of the usual company guys. Not that you are one, just an observation from here, the other forums, and my circle of friends. My juicer friends are the ones who think this TA is great and we need to hurry up and sign before X, Y, or Z happens. Correlation?

Originally Posted by jtrain609 (Post 2626118)

So your attempt at persuading others to vote no is to call them pussies.

Gotcha.

Didn't know they gave middle schoolers ATP's.

Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 2626133)

Oh really? Where did I do that?

Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 2626019)

I live under current book right now. I know the risks. I also know what leverage we have now that we won’t in 3.5-7 years as we negotiate our second contract. 6-12 more months of current book doesn’t scare me. Being locked in a substandard contract for the next 4-8 years is more worrisome, as well as giving some things away that can’t be easily gotten back, especially with less leverage. Not to mention showing mgmt and F&H that we are willing to accept less than market rate as a pilot group.

We disagree on risk tolerance I guess, as well as current and future value, and our self-worth. Did you marry the first chick who talked to you out of fear of being alone forever? I held out and am glad I did. I’ve “held out for more” in lots of things in life, and worked/fought hard to get things I want. I haven’t decided how I will vote yet, but when I do decide, it will be based on the value of the TA over the next 4-8 years in relation to the going rate in the industry, not fear.

Did the union spread “the sky is falling, we have no protection, and the economy will tank so we need to lock this in” rhetoric or did you guys just make it up on your own? I haven’t heard or seen it yet from them. But I see it from a lot of the usual company guys. Not that you are one, just an observation from here, the other forums, and my circle of friends. My juicer friends are the ones who think this TA is great and we need to hurry up and sign before X, Y, or Z happens. Correlation?

Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 2625956)

Ok Cindy so we need to take the first offer we are given because of fear? No thanks. TAs are supposed to be voted on based on their value and merits, not on fear. Fear is an emotion. Don’t vote on emotion. Really wish people would stop being so afraid of the bogeyman when voting on something that affects my family.

If you think the bull market will flip and is gonna tank in the time it takes us to fix this thing, go buy a ton of VXX and short the market. But don’t take me down with you because you are afraid.

Please enlighten me more.