Pilot good-will.
11-23-2018, 09:33 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
Go to one and ask them 
No doubt this is all from JG it’s her thing and so it goes.
What else can she do it’s not like she has any operational experience. I’m sure her idea is I said it so you should do it.
No doubt this is all from JG it’s her thing and so it goes.
What else can she do it’s not like she has any operational experience. I’m sure her idea is I said it so you should do it.
11-23-2018, 12:56 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
I would say I hope she is on my flight but I honestly have no earthly idea what she looks like
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11-23-2018, 01:59 PM
#13
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The FAs are pushing hard to get rid of the cleaning requirement as part of their first contract. I'm sure the company is reminding them that everyone helps them out, and the FAs are replying with the obvious truth that almost no one helps out besides other FAs.
If the FAs are going to get less value out of the concession of having to clean, you better believe they are going to want to make sure everyone cleans. Why should they have to clean for next to nothing and be told its next to nothing since "everyone helps out".
umm no.
So either everyone has to clean , and there has to be easy and swift accountability (like a check box on the ipad seating chart showing s4s that can be toggled cleaned/did not clean that gets auto sent to inflight leadership and the leadership of the offending work group, is one solution i've heard), or the company stops all this madness and agrees to hire cleaners as part of the first contract with the FAs.
But just waving and saying bye as you walk past all the non rev FAs digging through pockets needs to end one way or the other. Happy cleaning, and don't forget its more than just crossing seat belts
If the FAs are going to get less value out of the concession of having to clean, you better believe they are going to want to make sure everyone cleans. Why should they have to clean for next to nothing and be told its next to nothing since "everyone helps out".
umm no.
So either everyone has to clean , and there has to be easy and swift accountability (like a check box on the ipad seating chart showing s4s that can be toggled cleaned/did not clean that gets auto sent to inflight leadership and the leadership of the offending work group, is one solution i've heard), or the company stops all this madness and agrees to hire cleaners as part of the first contract with the FAs.
But just waving and saying bye as you walk past all the non rev FAs digging through pockets needs to end one way or the other. Happy cleaning, and don't forget its more than just crossing seat belts
11-23-2018, 02:58 PM
#14
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Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
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Originally Posted by Bluetruth
The FAs are pushing hard to get rid of the cleaning requirement as part of their first contract. I'm sure the company is reminding them that everyone helps them out, and the FAs are replying with the obvious truth that almost no one helps out besides other FAs.
If the FAs are going to get less value out of the concession of having to clean, you better believe they are going to want to make sure everyone cleans. Why should they have to clean for next to nothing and be told its next to nothing since "everyone helps out".
umm no.
So either everyone has to clean , and there has to be easy and swift accountability (like a check box on the ipad seating chart showing s4s that can be toggled cleaned/did not clean that gets auto sent to inflight leadership and the leadership of the offending work group, is one solution i've heard), or the company stops all this madness and agrees to hire cleaners as part of the first contract with the FAs.
But just waving and saying bye as you walk past all the non rev FAs digging through pockets needs to end one way or the other. Happy cleaning, and don't forget its more than just crossing seat belts
If the FAs are going to get less value out of the concession of having to clean, you better believe they are going to want to make sure everyone cleans. Why should they have to clean for next to nothing and be told its next to nothing since "everyone helps out".
umm no.
So either everyone has to clean , and there has to be easy and swift accountability (like a check box on the ipad seating chart showing s4s that can be toggled cleaned/did not clean that gets auto sent to inflight leadership and the leadership of the offending work group, is one solution i've heard), or the company stops all this madness and agrees to hire cleaners as part of the first contract with the FAs.
But just waving and saying bye as you walk past all the non rev FAs digging through pockets needs to end one way or the other. Happy cleaning, and don't forget its more than just crossing seat belts
Great can I get a list on my iPad so when all the other work groups don’t do their jobs ( that they get paid for) we can check a box and send a report.
If they ever do that the FAs should refuse. What a stupid stupid idea.
Want to fix the culture get rid of this stupid cleaning and just have the cleaners that are already on the plane do the whole thing. That would fix it.
11-23-2018, 03:40 PM
#15
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Originally Posted by Bluetruth
The FAs are pushing hard to get rid of the cleaning requirement as part of their first contract. I'm sure the company is reminding them that everyone helps them out, and the FAs are replying with the obvious truth that almost no one helps out besides other FAs.
If the FAs are going to get less value out of the concession of having to clean, you better believe they are going to want to make sure everyone cleans. Why should they have to clean for next to nothing and be told its next to nothing since "everyone helps out".
umm no.
So either everyone has to clean , and there has to be easy and swift accountability (like a check box on the ipad seating chart showing s4s that can be toggled cleaned/did not clean that gets auto sent to inflight leadership and the leadership of the offending work group, is one solution i've heard), or the company stops all this madness and agrees to hire cleaners as part of the first contract with the FAs.
But just waving and saying bye as you walk past all the non rev FAs digging through pockets needs to end one way or the other. Happy cleaning, and don't forget its more than just crossing seat belts
If the FAs are going to get less value out of the concession of having to clean, you better believe they are going to want to make sure everyone cleans. Why should they have to clean for next to nothing and be told its next to nothing since "everyone helps out".
umm no.
So either everyone has to clean , and there has to be easy and swift accountability (like a check box on the ipad seating chart showing s4s that can be toggled cleaned/did not clean that gets auto sent to inflight leadership and the leadership of the offending work group, is one solution i've heard), or the company stops all this madness and agrees to hire cleaners as part of the first contract with the FAs.
But just waving and saying bye as you walk past all the non rev FAs digging through pockets needs to end one way or the other. Happy cleaning, and don't forget its more than just crossing seat belts
To be clear, I would have to be called into the chief pilot personally before I MAY clean, and if I ever did it would be seat belts only.
"Sorry sir, I was in such a rush I missed that used airsickness bag!"
11-24-2018, 12:19 PM
#17
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Originally Posted by GuppyPuppy
Forcing a CULTure on us isn't culture at all.
In fact, it has the exact opposite effect as was intended.
Gup
In fact, it has the exact opposite effect as was intended.
Gup
11-24-2018, 01:15 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by GuppyPuppy
Forcing a CULTure on us isn't culture at all.
In fact, it has the exact opposite effect as was intended.
Gup
In fact, it has the exact opposite effect as was intended.
Gup
Put me down for one vote of "no confidence".
11-25-2018, 11:43 AM
#19
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Originally Posted by captjns
One of those cases where you should get OSHA involved. After all... if the crews show late, do the cleaners perform cockpit crew preflight duties
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