JB or stay at the SkyWest?
12-13-2018, 08:23 PM
#31
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Posts: 814
Originally Posted by hyperboy
This is almost the last place to get real advice since most that are on here talk bad but don't go anywhere....all talk. By that decision that shows you it's a great place....the persona's are tougher than in person I assure you.
This place has plenty of aircraft coming and growth, but a clearer vision would be welcome by all.
PM me if you would like
This place has plenty of aircraft coming and growth, but a clearer vision would be welcome by all.
PM me if you would like
I left JB and the grass is indeed much much greener.
Even with a new contract, many of the same old complaints seem to be echoed by my friends who are still there. And some new complaints. It sounds like a much more hostile work environment than was even a year ago. And there you are, still cheerleading and giving out inaccurate, pro-company propaganda. Some things never change.
I'm glad you like it... after all it's so much better than Mesa!
12-14-2018, 03:58 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by atrdriver
Your logic is--and always has been--very poor.
I left JB and the grass is indeed much much greener.
Even with a new contract, many of the same old complaints seem to be echoed by my friends who are still there. And some new complaints. It sounds like a much more hostile work environment than was even a year ago. And there you are, still cheerleading and giving out inaccurate, pro-company propaganda. Some things never change.
I'm glad you like it... after all it's so much better than Mesa!
I left JB and the grass is indeed much much greener.
Even with a new contract, many of the same old complaints seem to be echoed by my friends who are still there. And some new complaints. It sounds like a much more hostile work environment than was even a year ago. And there you are, still cheerleading and giving out inaccurate, pro-company propaganda. Some things never change.
I'm glad you like it... after all it's so much better than Mesa!
12-14-2018, 04:14 AM
#33
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: B6
Posts: 1,047
Originally Posted by atrdriver
Your logic is--and always has been--very poor.
I left JB and the grass is indeed much much greener.
Even with a new contract, many of the same old complaints seem to be echoed by my friends who are still there. And some new complaints. It sounds like a much more hostile work environment than was even a year ago. And there you are, still cheerleading and giving out inaccurate, pro-company propaganda. Some things never change.
I'm glad you like it... after all it's so much better than Mesa!
I left JB and the grass is indeed much much greener.
Even with a new contract, many of the same old complaints seem to be echoed by my friends who are still there. And some new complaints. It sounds like a much more hostile work environment than was even a year ago. And there you are, still cheerleading and giving out inaccurate, pro-company propaganda. Some things never change.
I'm glad you like it... after all it's so much better than Mesa!
Even airline has its issues. The AA guys complaining in their cockpit including the jumps seater about how awful the place is and all the things they needed in their next contract. They were also shocked that we had many in ours. hmmmmmm. Pot calling...
I am truly happy for you. Thats what I am talking about. You did not like it here and did something about it and are happier. JetBlue is not for everyone..... We all have decisions to make for our families and if w e like the job.
Last edited by hyperboy; 12-14-2018 at 04:32 AM.
12-14-2018, 04:27 AM
#34
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Posts: 465
Your paycheck has a different name than the plane you are flying. That alone makes the answer easy. Not to mention that a 2nd year bus FO makes more than your topped out CA at Skywest, not to mention the retirement difference.
12-14-2018, 05:21 AM
#36
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I remember when I was an FO at my regional listening to the CAs complaining about how they were stuck and couldn't get a call from anyone. Talking to them more, a lot of them had turned down offers from bigger carriers for one reason or another. JetBlue, Virgin, Northwest, Sun Country, Southwest were names I heard they had turned down. They would have all gone back and made a different choice if they could.
I see it the same as commuting. I always make forward progress and get on the earliest flight possible, because I have no idea what will happen later in the day.
I see it the same as commuting. I always make forward progress and get on the earliest flight possible, because I have no idea what will happen later in the day.
12-14-2018, 05:26 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by Gearswinger
I remember when I was an FO at my regional listening to the CAs complaining about how they were stuck and couldn't get a call from anyone. Talking to them more, a lot of them had turned down offers from bigger carriers for one reason or another. JetBlue, Virgin, Northwest, Sun Country, Southwest were names I heard they had turned down. They would have all gone back and made a different choice if they could.
I see it the same as commuting. I always make forward progress and get on the earliest flight possible, because I have no idea what will happen later in the day.
I see it the same as commuting. I always make forward progress and get on the earliest flight possible, because I have no idea what will happen later in the day.
Always move forward.
12-14-2018, 06:09 AM
#38
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: P-3C
Posts: 982
Originally Posted by atrdriver
Your logic is--and always has been--very poor.
I left JB and the grass is indeed much much greener.
Even with a new contract, many of the same old complaints seem to be echoed by my friends who are still there. And some new complaints. It sounds like a much more hostile work environment than was even a year ago. And there you are, still cheerleading and giving out inaccurate, pro-company propaganda. Some things never change.
I'm glad you like it... after all it's so much better than Mesa!
I left JB and the grass is indeed much much greener.
Even with a new contract, many of the same old complaints seem to be echoed by my friends who are still there. And some new complaints. It sounds like a much more hostile work environment than was even a year ago. And there you are, still cheerleading and giving out inaccurate, pro-company propaganda. Some things never change.
I'm glad you like it... after all it's so much better than Mesa!
How long had you been at Jblue? Were you a commuter? Captain or FO? What company did you go to? I think, if you’re playing the leaving jetblue game, that 3-4 years is your economic lines of diminishing returns.
-Bubs
PS- I have a 12yr in base 320CA buddy who will W2 2018 $358k. Yes he did some red eyes and picked up rsa and vda. But he also manages his vacation weeks and had a bunch of CUN & AUA layovers.
12-14-2018, 06:19 AM
#39
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Posts: 74
Folks ... thanks for this constructive conversation. Your sharing SA is a great value!
So let me add a bit of fire to what has being evaluated so far.
1. SkyWest is the best regional (with a major like foot-print but still a regional) and the working environment is amazing (and you do not have to fight to create a better atmosphere), with outstanding economical stability and job security;
2. Left seat is definitely better than FO in a nasty cockpit with a grumpy PIC (and looks like there are a lot of discontent in JB);
3. Money is not the solution to compensate poor QoL (and all of us knows that);
4. Last but not least ... when there will be an other economical crash (i.e. 9/11, fuel price ...) and we all now it is just a matter of when not if, what would make you more marketable to find a job overseas PIC or SIC time?
So let me add a bit of fire to what has being evaluated so far.
1. SkyWest is the best regional (with a major like foot-print but still a regional) and the working environment is amazing (and you do not have to fight to create a better atmosphere), with outstanding economical stability and job security;
2. Left seat is definitely better than FO in a nasty cockpit with a grumpy PIC (and looks like there are a lot of discontent in JB);
3. Money is not the solution to compensate poor QoL (and all of us knows that);
4. Last but not least ... when there will be an other economical crash (i.e. 9/11, fuel price ...) and we all now it is just a matter of when not if, what would make you more marketable to find a job overseas PIC or SIC time?
12-14-2018, 06:33 AM
#40
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Posts: 46
Originally Posted by donpizmeov2
Folks ... thanks for this constructive conversation. Your sharing SA is a great value!
So let me add a bit of fire to what has being evaluated so far.
1. SkyWest is the best regional (with a major like foot-print but still a regional) and the working environment is amazing (and you do not have to fight to create a better atmosphere), with outstanding economical stability and job security;
2. Left seat is definitely better than FO in a nasty cockpit with a grumpy PIC (and looks like there are a lot of discontent in JB);
3. Money is not the solution to compensate poor QoL (and all of us knows that);
4. Last but not least ... when there will be an other economical crash (i.e. 9/11, fuel price ...) and we all now it is just a matter of when not if, what would make you more marketable to find a job overseas PIC or SIC time?
So let me add a bit of fire to what has being evaluated so far.
1. SkyWest is the best regional (with a major like foot-print but still a regional) and the working environment is amazing (and you do not have to fight to create a better atmosphere), with outstanding economical stability and job security;
2. Left seat is definitely better than FO in a nasty cockpit with a grumpy PIC (and looks like there are a lot of discontent in JB);
3. Money is not the solution to compensate poor QoL (and all of us knows that);
4. Last but not least ... when there will be an other economical crash (i.e. 9/11, fuel price ...) and we all now it is just a matter of when not if, what would make you more marketable to find a job overseas PIC or SIC time?
Good God, if you actually believe all of those things about Skywest then you are a perfect candidate for the juice at JB. You and Hyperboy can fly all your trips together and talk about bringing humanity back to air travel and JetBlue for Good!!!
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