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Bluedriver 06-08-2019 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by hilltopflyer (Post 2833724)
I’m completely ok with having a subset group just for the fact that they will have to hire and upgrade more because of it. It’s almost a new type of plane in a way.

True. It's not entirely great for existing BOS/JFK A320 pilots because they will have to decide between flying ONLY London (no thanks) or NEVER London. But yes, that will create significant staffing inefficiency resulting in the need to over-hire.

I could maybe see a single combined INTL bid category for the LR flying that covered the flying of both bases (obviously the group would either be based in Boston or JFK). Two small sub-groups would be even more inefficient. Having to train a subset of pilots and staff a foolproof (Jb-proof) group of reserves for only 6 aircraft (per base) would be ridiculous!

hilltopflyer 06-08-2019 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2833730)
True. It's not entirely great for existing BOS/JFK A320 pilots because they will have to decide between flying ONLY London (no thanks) or NEVER London. But yes, that will create significant staffing inefficiency resulting in the need to over-hire.

I could maybe see a single combined INTL bid category for the LR flying that covered the flying of both bases (obviously the group would either be based in Boston or JFK). Two small sub-groups would be even more inefficient. Having to train a subset of pilots and staff a foolproof (Jb-proof) group of reserves for only 6 aircraft (per base) would be ridiculous!

Hence why I would love it if jb decides that would be best. Almost have to hire a brand new set of pilots just for those planes on top of normal hiring

Softpayman 06-08-2019 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by nuball5 (Post 2833728)
Plus I’m assuming this subset group will mostly be senior folk who want to tell their friends and family that they fly over the pond. So it should help the seniority of people who are junior in the other normal domiciles.

Yeah because that’s why people bid, not for the money, the timing of the trips, enjoying layovers... it’s to tell their friends they fly over the pond.

rvr1800 06-08-2019 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Softpayman (Post 2833737)
Yeah because that’s why people bid, not for the money, the timing of the trips, enjoying layovers... it’s to tell their friends they fly over the pond.

You’ve been in the industry long enough to know there’s an element of truth to his statement.

nuball5 06-08-2019 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by Softpayman (Post 2833737)
Yeah because that’s why people bid, not for the money, the timing of the trips, enjoying layovers... it’s to tell their friends they fly over the pond.

Jeez....not much of a sense of humor around here anymore. I’m half kidding, but I’m sure there will be a few that do it for that very reason. They’ll do it for the money? Enlighten me with our current CBA, how much extra money a London 3-day will pay?

Xtreme87 06-08-2019 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by capt707 (Post 2833708)
The Europe flying will be a separate group (JFK/BOS), the FAA won’t sign off on anything else. That’s what the big wigs were saying last month in recurrent. They also mentioned about *possibly expanding the “below red line” flying into MCO.

That’s complete BS. Most other airlines have a fleet that does mixed flying(Intl and Domestic), somehow the FAA is ok with everybody else doing it. Yet JB management says the FAA won’t let them, because we’re special apparently. If the european flying is fenced off to where you can only fly to Europe and nowhere else, they are going to have a revolving door of training events. Nobody wants to do that $hitty flying more than once or twice a month, if that.

hilltopflyer 06-08-2019 07:58 AM

It’s more of the management thinks it will be a desirable bid so once people go they won’t have to retrain someone instead of every time someone bids into jfk training them. They don’t like the idea of making recurrent an extra couple days just to get a whole base trained instead of a small subset. It’s not the FAA it’s $$$$$!

Bluedriver 06-08-2019 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by hilltopflyer (Post 2833782)
It’s more of the management thinks it will be a desirable bid so once people go they won’t have to retrain someone instead of every time someone bids into jfk training them. They don’t like the idea of making recurrent an extra couple days just to get a whole base trained instead of a small subset. *****************It’s not the FAA it’s $$$$$!***********

$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Exactly.

Your name here 06-08-2019 09:23 AM

I’m all for a longer seniority list, But I don’t see how with only 13 airplanes it would even be possible to have a subgroup in 2 bases. There wouldn’t be enough pairings to complete a month with ALV’s in the 80’s with ONLY Euro flying... especially if it’s going to be mostly 15-16hr 3 day trips. Unless they plan on building a mix of 4/5 day trips that touch both Europe and US/Caribbean. Then maybe... thoughts?

RiddleEagle18 06-08-2019 09:28 AM

15 hour 3 days!! Woo! I hope we have a separate category so the huge egos will bid over because they won’t be able to stand some other dude flying to London.


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