How many posts are in a not very often?

I’ve been in 3 threads this year and about the same last year. Unless I can make a constructive input I don’t post. Most of the threads on here are not productive just pilots griping about things out of there control or even when they are productive I am unable to constructively input so why waste everyone’s time.

You're still arguing with me, but saying nothing!

Back to the beginning, one poster said making ETOPS a separate group is required due to "currency and skill" (which has widely been shown to not be a general FAA requirement).

A subsequent poster said that statement has some "validity" because one UPS base has separate groups for domestic and long-haul. But in the same post said UPS has two other bases where one group of pilots fly's mixed domestic and long haul. So.... Do some UPS pilots require "currency and skill" to fly ETOPS, while others don't?

Your own statements regarding JB's FLL red-line flying are contradictory. That flying requires currency (annual recurrent) and training (annual recurrent red-line training), yet the base operates ***mixed*** domestic/red-line flying. So JB's FLL flying does not support the need for a separate trans-atlantic bid group.

So yes, the statement that JB must operate trans-atlantic flying as a separate group because of "currency and skill" remains untrue from an FARs standpoint. Other airlines including United, Alaska and UPS (just to name a few(and as illustrated by the UPS pilots post)) operate mixed domestic/long haul flying and JB itself uses a mixed flying philosophy for its FLL flying, even as YOU point out that red-line flying also requires "currency and training".

If JB is going to go with a separate bid group for trans-atlantic, let's just admit it's because they WANT to or because the FAA is placing restrictions on JB that it doesn't place on other airlines.

[QUOTE=Bluedriver;2836073]You're still arguing with me, but saying nothing!

Back to the beginning, one poster said making ETOPS a separate group is required due to "currency and skill" (which has widely been shown to not be a general FAA requirement).

A subsequent poster said that statement has some "validity" because one UPS base has separate groups for domestic and long-haul. But in the same post said UPS has two other bases where one group of pilots fly's mixed domestic and long haul. So.... Do some UPS pilots require "currency and skill" to fly ETOPS, while others don't?

Your own statements regarding JB's FLL red-line flying are contradictory. That flying requires currency (annual recurrent) and training (annual recurrent red-line training), yet the base operates ***mixed*** domestic/red-line flying. So JB's FLL flying does not support the need for a separate trans-atlantic bid group.

So yes, the statement that JB must operate trans-atlantic flying as a separate group because of "currency and skill" remains untrue from an FARs standpoint. Other airlines including United, Alaska and UPS (just to name a few(and as illustrated by the UPS pilots post)) operate mixed domestic/long haul flying and JB itself uses a different philosophy for its FLL flying, even as YOU point out that red-line flying also requires "currency and training".

If JB is going to go with a separate bid group for trans-atlantic, let's just admit it's because they WANT to or because the FAA is placing restrictions on JB that it doesn't place on other airlines.

I’m glad we are largely saying the same thing there. Glad to see we agree on this topic. Once again no one is trying to invalidate or argue just point out how other operators manage the same issue and how it has a bearing on the system bid numbers, wasn’t that the thread topic after all.

450, maybe I read your post wrong, but you seemed to disagree with me.

All good bud.

Of course.. I had to read your post a couple of times and read my post a couple of times to realize we were saying a similar thing.

Darn....off by a hour. System bid results have been posted.

320 CA - 2683
190 CA - 3291


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What does that translate to to years on property?

Bus:
JFK: Oct 2014
BOS: Dec 2013
FLL: Aug 2013
MCO: Mar 2006
LGB: Mar 2007

E190:
JFK: Apr 2017
BOS: Aug 2016
MCO: Oct 2013