I believe that NH pay is a good indicator of how the company will treat you. Not saying that it's worse than XYZ regional, but don't come expecting to be treated well by management.

Gup

 

Delta doesn't pay for new hire hotels.

Is that an indication of how those pilots are treated?

 

No, but they’re paid double what we make during training and get actual profit sharing.

 

delta new hire pay also goes until the completion of IOE not checkride (about a 3-5 week difference). again with no hotel or per diem during training

 

Okay. Easy fix, both need to be improved. Our training pay sucks.
Not having a hotel for 4-6 weeks sucks.
Unfortunately, this is low on the negotiation table, and in the company’s hands.

 

And then there’s first year UPS pay. *rolls eyes.*. I know you make a ton second year but dang.

 

I'd list other evidence as to how our pilots are treated, but you already know about that.

Gup

 

It’s not min guarantee for training (80 hours, covered by 4.A.3) and min flying guarantee for a lineholder isn’t really applicable. And while 70 hours is min guarantee...actual hours worked is much higher, even on a 4/hr a day credit for training basis. My point is 70 is an arbitrary number made up by the company using an arbitrary number from somewhere else in the CBA and applying it to new hire training. And $28.57 isn’t a published pay rate anywhere. So both the rate and the credit hours are just made up by the company and not even in the CBA. They get around it because pilot trainees aren’t “pilots” in the CBA definitions. I wouldn’t spend negotiating capital on 6 weeks worth of pay for new hires, since JB does pay for all uniforms and “lodge”ing, and compared to peers it’s about in line. But when calculated out, the effective pay rate in training is about $13/hr for new hires, governed by a policy that doesn’t exist in the CBA.

 

All true, but disregards the pay received via "free food" while at the lodge. I can't recall the math now, but at the time, I believe it was pretty much what the 1st year FO rate was.

 

You’re right. New hires are not covered by our contract. Until they qualify, they are First Officer Candidates.

I am not arguing that new hire training pay is sufficient. The OP was trying to understand where they got 70 hours.