Originally Posted by jamesholzhauer

As Robin said, it was a short notice small window of opportunity to make a play to overnight add an already existing west coast network when other organic west coast strategies have so far failed to really materialize, and west coast access to gates/slots remains limited. This, coupled with merging with an airline with a similar culture/product made sense. Yes, it'd have been a big change from the "organic all the way" mantra. But it was an overnight solution to a thus far unsolved long term problem. That is in stark contrast to bringing on a fleet of outsourced RJs, in an upgauging slot/gate constrained environment, which wouldn't solve any issues that currently plague JetBlue. Both scenarios would cause a lot of issues at JetBlue...but at least the Virgin merger would have solved a major problem in the process.

You can't really use the attempted Virgin acquisition in an argument about protecting yourself from outsourced RJs. If JetBlue wanted outsourced RJs, they would have had them. But as pointed out multiple times, we don't have gate space or slots for RJs. We are upgauging (significantly)...not downgauging. The blowback from outsourcing our flying, during a labor dispute, with a regional pilot shortage and massive major hiring, would have blown this operation up even further, and there is a 0.00002% chance JB management would have done that. That is why RJ scope didn't take much negotiating capital. Yes it is important. The most important section. But in this case it wasn't a sole reason to vote yes. And our section 1 has plenty of holes in it anyway as has also been pointed out. So it was good, but not great by any means.

Originally Posted by BlueJetDork

The CBA allows Moxy to be our version of Alaska’s Horizon Air.

See we win! No RJ’s. We killed a dead model.

But allowed brand neutral domestic code sharing on narrow body aircraft.

We keep looking backwards.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne

You guys make me laugh. Since the day I got here all I heard was organic growth organic growth. We want no part of a merger it would be against everything we built over and over and over. Until one day all of that was not true. (Well it was a short window)Sure we are limited on the coast one of our big problems but what if the wanted some kind of odd rj operation in say Kansas City to expand away from the gate restricted coasts? Remember we need to grow somewhere.

I don’t know what could happen I’m just saying to act like it couldn’t while JetBlue absolutely has no issue with changing the direction of the company seems crazy. I don’t think scope should be the sole reason for the contract btw, and I’m not sure it was sold as well we got scope ignore everything else and vote yes.


My overall point is I don’t trust this management team at all and I want every roadblock to their ideas that we can come up with. ( I think we all agree on this part)

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

Organic growth wasn't a business model, it was a marketing slogan to the employees.

Originally Posted by BlueJetDork

When a dead dinosaur costs 60 cents a gallon then I’ll worry about blueJet and RJ’s.

Our fear valued something that has no value and it was used to sell this POS.

It’s text book cognitive dissonance.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne

I really have to disagree. It seems like a business model to me. Well we are going to do it all alone or we will look for opportunities to buy or merge with someone to expand as fast as we can.