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02-18-2020 | 10:19 AM
#151
Layover Master
Joined: Jan 2013
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From: Seated
With all due respect, new hires do not have any idea how the DRO functions and neither do ground school instructors.
”The Next Day Reserve assignment process shall begin daily at 0300 Base local time on the day prior to any Reserve day and the Daily Reserve Overview (DRO) shall be published no later than 0800 Base local time . “
”The Next Day Reserve assignment process shall begin daily at 0300 Base local time on the day prior to any Reserve day and the Daily Reserve Overview (DRO) shall be published no later than 0800 Base local time . “
But that is what we are taught.
I've been here a year and have looked at the DRO once.
Show me anywhere it says I am required to look at it.
I had this conversation with a CS Supervisor and was told, "Well that's the way it's always been done."
I fly the CBA.
02-18-2020 | 10:22 AM
#152
SDQ Base Chief
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: 320 CA
Making it a requirement turns into an event that triggers duty and can’t be completed in a rest period. We used to have a requirement to check the DRO but it was removed for this reason. Allowing a voluntary check of the DRO is how they get away with this and not violate 117, but I still think it is a gray area that should be brought to the FAA for clarification. You have to check the DRO, although it isn’t directly stated due to the regulatory consequences.
02-18-2020 | 10:23 AM
#153
Layover Master
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 4,376
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From: Seated
Making it a requirement turns into an event that triggers duty and can’t be completed in a rest period. We used to have a requirement to check the DRO but it was removed for this reason. Allowing a voluntary check of the DRO is how they get away with this and not violate 117, but I still think it is a gray area that should be brought to the FAA for clarification. You have to check the DRO, although it isn’t directly stated due to the regulatory consequences.
02-18-2020 | 10:32 AM
#154
SDQ Base Chief
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: 320 CA
One final comment and I’ll shut up again.
Allowing JETCRW to creep into your time off duty will ensure that it becomes a norm going forward and will turn into a requirement. One thing I enjoy about this job is the ability to park the plane and not have to answer emails all night during my time off. JETCRW is the Trojan Horse for future off-duty communication. Yes, it is convenient today but will be a pain in the butt tomorrow.
Allowing JETCRW to creep into your time off duty will ensure that it becomes a norm going forward and will turn into a requirement. One thing I enjoy about this job is the ability to park the plane and not have to answer emails all night during my time off. JETCRW is the Trojan Horse for future off-duty communication. Yes, it is convenient today but will be a pain in the butt tomorrow.
02-18-2020 | 10:43 AM
#155
Layover Master
Joined: Jan 2013
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From: Seated
One final comment and I’ll shut up again.
Allowing JETCRW to creep into your time off duty will ensure that it becomes a norm going forward and will turn into a requirement. One thing I enjoy about this job is the ability to park the plane and not have to answer emails all night during my time off. JETCRW is the Trojan Horse for future off-duty communication. Yes, it is convenient today but will be a pain in the butt tomorrow.
Allowing JETCRW to creep into your time off duty will ensure that it becomes a norm going forward and will turn into a requirement. One thing I enjoy about this job is the ability to park the plane and not have to answer emails all night during my time off. JETCRW is the Trojan Horse for future off-duty communication. Yes, it is convenient today but will be a pain in the butt tomorrow.
I.e. JETCREW pushes at 8am, I go on reserve at 2pm that day, that's when I'll acknowledge my Next Day Assignment.
02-18-2020 | 12:04 PM
#156
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2015
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I agree that there are conflicting information out there regarding this.
It might not be black and white but my point is that we should be vigilant regarding our assignments and use all the tools that we have at our disposal (JetCrew, Flica, DRO...) to make sure our assignments are legal.
If you live in base and bid RSV, you probably don’t want to be used, so you better make sure that assignment is correct, or else you will get screwed sooner or later.
I get it that most of our Reserve Pilots are new hires and/or junior in general, so they might not know better or be afraid to call CS to inquire. Required or not, I always encourage fellow pilots to check the DRO, it might be “old fashion” but it gives us a better perspective of the assignments. If you only check One Source, how can you tell they messed up?
02-18-2020 | 12:22 PM
#158
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined: Sep 2011
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From: Airbus Capt
Additionally, you should make sure your assignment, if not legal, will at least prevent CS from having to split the trip or having to call out a VDA. Those things are more important than CS following the contract and making legal assignments.
02-18-2020 | 12:35 PM
#159
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2011
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From: Back in right seat
I have seen a few cases of incorrect reserve assignments. A phone call to CS got my assignment changed in each case that I felt motivated to call.
02-18-2020 | 01:01 PM
#160
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2016
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The FAA 30hr rest period is prospectively assigned and free from all restraint. You should know at the beginning of the rest period that you will have 30hrs off, and know what your next assignment will be before the 30hr rest begins. Then theoretically go to sleep for 30hrs straight. Wake up, and start your LCR/SCR/FDP that you were previously notified of.
At 1947 when you acknowledged the PRL for Day 2 you should have also been notified of ending your current day LCR that you were on at 1947 and notification of your next LCR duty starting around 0147 on Day 3. Then go to bed for 30hrs and wake up at 0147 on Day 3 with a phone call for a 14hr callout for a report at 1547. That would have been the absolute earliest you should have worked.
At 1947 when you acknowledged the PRL for Day 2 you should have also been notified of ending your current day LCR that you were on at 1947 and notification of your next LCR duty starting around 0147 on Day 3. Then go to bed for 30hrs and wake up at 0147 on Day 3 with a phone call for a 14hr callout for a report at 1547. That would have been the absolute earliest you should have worked.
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