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02-18-2020 | 09:48 AM
#141
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I don’t have JETCRW on my personal devices and my company iPad isn’t accessible when I am at home. JETCRW may be the way the company wants it to be, but it isn’t a requirement. If something important happens in my schedule CS will call and make positive contact. Otherwise I check the DRO for next day assignments and go from there.
Ask yourself why the DRO is published at all?
Ask yourself why the DRO is published at all?
watching the DRO also gives you ammo when trips are assigned illegally.
02-18-2020 | 09:55 AM
#142
Layover Master
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25.R.2.a.vii
Once completed, DRO assignments shall be made available electronically to all Pilots. Each Pilot shall be notified of his individual DRO assignment via JETCREW or its equivalent.
02-18-2020 | 09:59 AM
#143
SDQ Base Chief
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Still, why post the DRO at all? Is there a difference between making DRO assignments available electronically and notifying an individual of DRO assignments via JETCRW? Am I required to check JETCRW while at home on SCR/LCR?
02-18-2020 | 10:02 AM
#144
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You may want to read the Dec 27th weekly update from the union. I personally don’t care what you do, but it seems to imply the opposite of what you’re saying. The biggest issue this discussion raises is how poorly written this CBA is. Hopefully the next one will be written more clearly.
Am I missing something?
02-18-2020 | 10:03 AM
#145
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Reminder for those pilots on Long Call Reserve regarding the designated assignment process and notification of assignment. The CBA only has two processes for a pilot to be assigned a pairing.
The first is via the DRO process (notification/acknowledgment is not required 25.R.2, 25.R.6.a). This is complete at a specific time of day and pilots are aware that they need to check for an assignment after 8 a.m. to see what the next day assignment is.
The second is via the assignment procedures listed in 25.R.4 (Long Call assignment) and 25.R.5 (Short Call assignment) with notification occurring via 25.R.6. The procedures listed in 25.R.6 require that if the pilot has not acknowledged their assignment via JETCRW that the Company will initiate positive contact (25.R.6.a). The pilot has 15 minutes to reply to the positive contact attempt (25.R.6.b).
We've had instances when Long Call Reserve pilots are assigned new pairings outside of these processes, without positive contact, while on a pairing. If this happens to you, please exercise the open-door process. If your issue remains unresolved, file a dispute via DTS.
The first is via the DRO process (notification/acknowledgment is not required 25.R.2, 25.R.6.a). This is complete at a specific time of day and pilots are aware that they need to check for an assignment after 8 a.m. to see what the next day assignment is.
The second is via the assignment procedures listed in 25.R.4 (Long Call assignment) and 25.R.5 (Short Call assignment) with notification occurring via 25.R.6. The procedures listed in 25.R.6 require that if the pilot has not acknowledged their assignment via JETCRW that the Company will initiate positive contact (25.R.6.a). The pilot has 15 minutes to reply to the positive contact attempt (25.R.6.b).
We've had instances when Long Call Reserve pilots are assigned new pairings outside of these processes, without positive contact, while on a pairing. If this happens to you, please exercise the open-door process. If your issue remains unresolved, file a dispute via DTS.
02-18-2020 | 10:08 AM
#146
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And yes, there is a difference. JETCREW allows push notifications. You aren't required to log in and check anything, you are directly notified. I'm sure there are other difference, some the company may seem favorable, I don't know. What I do know is what the CBA states, and that's how I operate. As I read the CBA, you are not required to check JETCREW. It solely a required means of them notifying us. If you choose not to respond to it, you'll still receive your old school, and contractual positive contact phone call.
I choose to acknowledge via JETCREW because, a) the contract allows for it b) It saves me from having to talk with a crew scheduler on the phone.
02-18-2020 | 10:11 AM
#147
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The purpose of the DRO is two-fold. One, as mentioned, is transparency. Two, it's a holdover from the way the FSM laid out assignments that we still have. That's a good thing, IMO.
And yes, there is a difference. JETCREW allows push notifications. You aren't required to log in and check anything, you are directly notified. I'm sure there are other difference, some the company may seem favorable, I don't know. What I do know is what the CBA states, and that's how I operate. As I read the CBA, you are not required to check JETCREW. It solely a required means of them notifying us. If you choose not to respond to it, you'll still receive your old school, and contractual positive contact phone call.
I choose to acknowledge via JETCREW because, a) the contract allows for it b) It saves me from having to talk with a crew scheduler on the phone.
And yes, there is a difference. JETCREW allows push notifications. You aren't required to log in and check anything, you are directly notified. I'm sure there are other difference, some the company may seem favorable, I don't know. What I do know is what the CBA states, and that's how I operate. As I read the CBA, you are not required to check JETCREW. It solely a required means of them notifying us. If you choose not to respond to it, you'll still receive your old school, and contractual positive contact phone call.
I choose to acknowledge via JETCREW because, a) the contract allows for it b) It saves me from having to talk with a crew scheduler on the phone.
02-18-2020 | 10:13 AM
#148
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"This is complete at a specific time of day and pilots are aware that they need to check for an assignment after 8 a.m. to see what the next day assignment is."
Thank you. I looked at b6alpa and couldn't find it.
That quoted section is interesting because it's factually untrue. I've had this discussion with my initial new hire class, almost none of use ever reference the DRO. Ever. We were also taught in ground school that it's nice to check for situational awareness, but not required anymore.
Again, like stated previously in that email, it is NOT required. It is not in the CBA. I've personally spoken with the Chair of the Scheduling Committee about this specifically because there is so much confusion from pilots and CS Supervisors.
Thank you. I looked at b6alpa and couldn't find it.
That quoted section is interesting because it's factually untrue. I've had this discussion with my initial new hire class, almost none of use ever reference the DRO. Ever. We were also taught in ground school that it's nice to check for situational awareness, but not required anymore.
Again, like stated previously in that email, it is NOT required. It is not in the CBA. I've personally spoken with the Chair of the Scheduling Committee about this specifically because there is so much confusion from pilots and CS Supervisors.
02-18-2020 | 10:15 AM
#149
SDQ Base Chief
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"This is complete at a specific time of day and pilots are aware that they need to check for an assignment after 8 a.m. to see what the next day assignment is."
Thank you. I looked at b6alpa and couldn't find it.
That quoted section is interesting because it's factually untrue. I've had this discussion with my initial new hire class, almost none of use ever reference the DRO. Ever. We were also taught in ground school that it's nice to check for situational awareness, but not required anymore.
Again, like stated previously in that email, it is NOT required. It is not in the CBA. I've personally spoken with the Chair of the Scheduling Committee about this specifically because there is so much confusion from pilots and CS Supervisors.
Thank you. I looked at b6alpa and couldn't find it.
That quoted section is interesting because it's factually untrue. I've had this discussion with my initial new hire class, almost none of use ever reference the DRO. Ever. We were also taught in ground school that it's nice to check for situational awareness, but not required anymore.
Again, like stated previously in that email, it is NOT required. It is not in the CBA. I've personally spoken with the Chair of the Scheduling Committee about this specifically because there is so much confusion from pilots and CS Supervisors.
”The Next Day Reserve assignment process shall begin daily at 0300 Base local time on the day prior to any Reserve day and the Daily Reserve Overview (DRO) shall be published no later than 0800 Base local time . “
02-18-2020 | 10:17 AM
#150
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Yes, it is required. And no, you wouldn't be responsible. There is literally nothing that states I have to ever look at the DRO. 25.R.2.a.vii says the assignments shall be made available on JETCREW. If they can't do that, that's their problem.
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