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02-17-2020, 01:00 PM
#121
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,887
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
You absolutely did them a favor. You flew a trip that was assigned in violation of the contract.
You accepted a trip that should have sat in open time, available for line holders to pick up or swap, until the next DRO.
You said yourself they would’ve had to split it, delay it, or find an RSA or VDA. I’m sure JoJo appreciated it though and so did they guys who would’ve got a nice payday if you knew the contract.
Every single item in the contract is there at the cost of another potential item. Every single line item needs to be enforced by every single pilot.
This pilot group desperately needs a “how to act like a union member” education.
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You accepted a trip that should have sat in open time, available for line holders to pick up or swap, until the next DRO.
You said yourself they would’ve had to split it, delay it, or find an RSA or VDA. I’m sure JoJo appreciated it though and so did they guys who would’ve got a nice payday if you knew the contract.
Every single item in the contract is there at the cost of another potential item. Every single line item needs to be enforced by every single pilot.
This pilot group desperately needs a “how to act like a union member” education.
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02-17-2020, 02:41 PM
#122
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 2,559
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
You absolutely did them a favor. You flew a trip that was assigned in violation of the contract.
You accepted a trip that should have sat in open time, available for line holders to pick up or swap, until the next DRO.
You said yourself they would’ve had to split it, delay it, or find an RSA or VDA. I’m sure JoJo appreciated it though and so did they guys who would’ve got a nice payday if you knew the contract.
Every single item in the contract is there at the cost of another potential item. Every single line item needs to be enforced by every single pilot.
This pilot group desperately needs a “how to act like a union member” education.
You accepted a trip that should have sat in open time, available for line holders to pick up or swap, until the next DRO.
You said yourself they would’ve had to split it, delay it, or find an RSA or VDA. I’m sure JoJo appreciated it though and so did they guys who would’ve got a nice payday if you knew the contract.
Every single item in the contract is there at the cost of another potential item. Every single line item needs to be enforced by every single pilot.
This pilot group desperately needs a “how to act like a union member” education.
I get that there are a few here who don't like the fact that I enjoy my job and love to try and attack me on here, but it's all good. Hope you aren't joining that particular crowd, your posts typically indicate that you are not one of them.
02-17-2020, 04:03 PM
#123
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,327
Originally Posted by HighFlight
If it makes you feel any better, I did a PDR on it after the initial discussion here. ALPA looked into it and said it was a legal trip.
I get that there are a few here who don't like the fact that I enjoy my job and love to try and attack me on here, but it's all good. Hope you aren't joining that particular crowd, your posts typically indicate that you are not one of them.
I get that there are a few here who don't like the fact that I enjoy my job and love to try and attack me on here, but it's all good. Hope you aren't joining that particular crowd, your posts typically indicate that you are not one of them.
Also PDRs take more than a day to be looked into. I recently did a PDR and I just got a response on it three weeks later. The way you have told this story to us here proves it’s not legal. So you either told
it truthfully in your PDR and was told right away that it was legal, and you fabricated a story on here. So it sounds like you got a trip for the next day from
the DRO and went about your trip and flew it. But it doesn’t sound like you got one two days in advance.
Edit: This is what you put in your PDR? Because this is what you told us...
”To give a specific example, I was taken from LCR to PRL at 1947 one day, and assigned a trip with a show time of 1748 two days later, for a total notice time of 45:59, or 46 hours. No phone call needed.”
Lol, That hard to believe that alpa said this was legal by any stretch of the imagination.
Last edited by feltf4; 02-17-2020 at 04:28 PM.
02-17-2020, 04:39 PM
#124
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 2,559
Originally Posted by feltf4
Oh come on... no one care if you love it or hate it.
Also PDRs take more than a day to be looked into. I recently did a PDR and I just got a response on it three weeks later. The way you have told this story to us here proves it’s not legal. So you either told
it truthfully in your PDR and was told right away that it was legal, and you fabricated a story on here. So it sounds like you got a trip for the next day from
the DRO and went about your trip and flew it. But it doesn’t sound like you got one two days in advance.
Also PDRs take more than a day to be looked into. I recently did a PDR and I just got a response on it three weeks later. The way you have told this story to us here proves it’s not legal. So you either told
it truthfully in your PDR and was told right away that it was legal, and you fabricated a story on here. So it sounds like you got a trip for the next day from
the DRO and went about your trip and flew it. But it doesn’t sound like you got one two days in advance.
Since the PDR response was that it was a legal trip, I can only assume I am mixing up the PRL and trip notifications (the PRL would have happened at 1947 one night, and the trip assigned at 0800 the next morning). Sorry for the confusion, I was not trying to mislead anyone.
My original post was about the fact that most notifications happen well in advance of my show time, not just 14 hours prior. Even if I was assigned the DRO, and saw the JC when I awoke, I had over 33 hours notice, just not the 45 hours I thought I had.
Sorry for your luck on PDRs. I have only filed three or four, and none have taken more than a couple of days to get a reply. This particular one was submitted just after 2100, and the response was in my inbox the next morning prior to 0900. I think 12 hours is pretty good, all things considered.
02-17-2020, 06:09 PM
#126
SDQ Base Chief
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,596
Originally Posted by HighFlight
It is completely possible I got two separate JC notifications (one for the PRL, and one the next morning for the trip the following day) and I thought it all came thru at one time (I HAVE slept since then). If it went down this way (the trip actually getting assigned via the DRO after the PRL), I wouldn't have known at the time, as I don't look at the DRO anymore, just acknowledge the trip when I get the JC notification.
Since the PDR response was that it was a legal trip, I can only assume I am mixing up the PRL and trip notifications (the PRL would have happened at 1947 one night, and the trip assigned at 0800 the next morning). Sorry for the confusion, I was not trying to mislead anyone.
My original post was about the fact that most notifications happen well in advance of my show time, not just 14 hours prior. Even if I was assigned the DRO, and saw the JC when I awoke, I had over 33 hours notice, just not the 45 hours I thought I had.
Sorry for your luck on PDRs. I have only filed three or four, and none have taken more than a couple of days to get a reply. This particular one was submitted just after 2100, and the response was in my inbox the next morning prior to 0900. I think 12 hours is pretty good, all things considered.
Since the PDR response was that it was a legal trip, I can only assume I am mixing up the PRL and trip notifications (the PRL would have happened at 1947 one night, and the trip assigned at 0800 the next morning). Sorry for the confusion, I was not trying to mislead anyone.
My original post was about the fact that most notifications happen well in advance of my show time, not just 14 hours prior. Even if I was assigned the DRO, and saw the JC when I awoke, I had over 33 hours notice, just not the 45 hours I thought I had.
Sorry for your luck on PDRs. I have only filed three or four, and none have taken more than a couple of days to get a reply. This particular one was submitted just after 2100, and the response was in my inbox the next morning prior to 0900. I think 12 hours is pretty good, all things considered.
At 1947 when you acknowledged the PRL for Day 2 you should have also been notified of ending your current day LCR that you were on at 1947 and notification of your next LCR duty starting around 0147 on Day 3. Then go to bed for 30hrs and wake up at 0147 on Day 3 with a phone call for a 14hr callout for a report at 1547. That would have been the absolute earliest you should have worked.
02-18-2020, 02:40 AM
#127
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: Left,Right, Left, Right,Right,Left, Right, Left
Posts: 3,150
Originally Posted by Flyby1206
The FAA 30hr rest period is prospectively assigned and free from all restraint. You should know at the beginning of the rest period that you will have 30hrs off, and know what your next assignment will be before the 30hr rest begins. Then theoretically go to sleep for 30hrs straight. Wake up, and start your LCR/SCR/FDP that you were previously notified of.
At 1947 when you acknowledged the PRL for Day 2 you should have also been notified of ending your current day LCR that you were on at 1947 and notification of your next LCR duty starting around 0147 on Day 3. Then go to bed for 30hrs and wake up at 0147 on Day 3 with a phone call for a 14hr callout for a report at 1547. That would have been the absolute earliest you should have worked.
At 1947 when you acknowledged the PRL for Day 2 you should have also been notified of ending your current day LCR that you were on at 1947 and notification of your next LCR duty starting around 0147 on Day 3. Then go to bed for 30hrs and wake up at 0147 on Day 3 with a phone call for a 14hr callout for a report at 1547. That would have been the absolute earliest you should have worked.
highflight, I’m sorry your story isn’t passing the sniff test.
02-18-2020, 03:23 AM
#128
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 357
Originally Posted by HighFlight
I get that there are a few here who don't like the fact that I enjoy my job and love to try and attack me on here, but it's all good. Hope you aren't joining that particular crowd, your posts typically indicate that you are not one of them.
02-18-2020, 04:04 AM
#129
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,327
I love how this pilot group loves money (I do too, not saying anything wrong with a little extra pennies). Yet some pilots cannot comprehend by not holding the company accountable to the contract is a giant waste of what, 3-5k per year of your own paycheck. You paid for ALPA to come up with a contract. They did. Good or bad you are wasting your money if you don’t stick to it. I hear over and over again stories about them doing things wrong with out anyone questioning it. Simply a waste of money.
02-18-2020, 05:38 AM
#130
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 122
Originally Posted by HighFlight
It is completely possible I got two separate JC notifications (one for the PRL, and one the next morning for the trip the following day) and I thought it all came thru at one time (I HAVE slept since then). If it went down this way (the trip actually getting assigned via the DRO after the PRL), I wouldn't have known at the time, as I don't look at the DRO anymore, just acknowledge the trip when I get the JC notification.
Since the PDR response was that it was a legal trip, I can only assume I am mixing up the PRL and trip notifications (the PRL would have happened at 1947 one night, and the trip assigned at 0800 the next morning). Sorry for the confusion, I was not trying to mislead anyone.
My original post was about the fact that most notifications happen well in advance of my show time, not just 14 hours prior. Even if I was assigned the DRO, and saw the JC when I awoke, I had over 33 hours notice, just not the 45 hours I thought I had.
Sorry for your luck on PDRs. I have only filed three or four, and none have taken more than a couple of days to get a reply. This particular one was submitted just after 2100, and the response was in my inbox the next morning prior to 0900. I think 12 hours is pretty good, all things considered.
Since the PDR response was that it was a legal trip, I can only assume I am mixing up the PRL and trip notifications (the PRL would have happened at 1947 one night, and the trip assigned at 0800 the next morning). Sorry for the confusion, I was not trying to mislead anyone.
My original post was about the fact that most notifications happen well in advance of my show time, not just 14 hours prior. Even if I was assigned the DRO, and saw the JC when I awoke, I had over 33 hours notice, just not the 45 hours I thought I had.
Sorry for your luck on PDRs. I have only filed three or four, and none have taken more than a couple of days to get a reply. This particular one was submitted just after 2100, and the response was in my inbox the next morning prior to 0900. I think 12 hours is pretty good, all things considered.
I’ve had different RAP start times while doing SCL, as well as trips assigned to me while in SCR/LCR, that were supposed to be assigned to someone else. All I had to do was to call them and they either corrected by matching whatever was published on the DRO or dropped the trip from my schedule.
I get it that it’s easy to just acknowledge whatever comes your way on JetCrew and go on with life. But if you have time to post on here, you should have the 30 seconds to open the DRO too. We all should put a little bit of effort and hold the company accountable. It’s as simple as that.
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