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Old 02-14-2020 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by hyperboy
Can you drink while on duty? No

Can you drink while on Long call? Yes

LCR....not duty.
ya I was thinking along it in the regards to the 30 hour rest
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Old 02-14-2020 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ClncClarence
They still need to give you 30/168 for LCR because you’re always on duty. I was flying with a CA a few weeks ago who bids LCR in one block starting on a Fri or Sat then PTOs the first and last day. 30/168 gets him two more days off in the block so he ends up with 17-18 off a month working with majority weekend days off. According to him he’s had good luck avoiding the calls. YMMV but seemed like an ok plan to me. Late start on day one and get lucky with early release on last day and that brings you down more or less an extra day.
Incorrect. LCR is not duty. Nor is it rest. You can be on LCR for 10 days straight without any PRL or OFF time. But prior to accepting an assignment, you have to have 30 hours off.
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Old 02-14-2020 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by hyperboy
Can you drink while on duty? No

Can you drink while on Long call? Yes

LCR....not duty.
Simply THE BEST, dumbed-down, explanation ever, for most pilots to understand that one can be on LCR for 100 days straight without any issues. As Long as they have 30 hours off before any FDP, they are golden.
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Old 02-14-2020 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
Incorrect. LCR is not duty. Nor is it rest. You can be on LCR for 10 days straight without any PRL or OFF time. But prior to accepting an assignment, you have to have 30 hours off.
While you're right, the differentiation is pedantic. The company CAN do that, and in some cases they MAY do it, but I can't see the benefit that the company gains by doing this.
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Old 02-14-2020 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jtrain609
While you're right, the differentiation is pedantic. The company CAN do that, and in some cases they MAY do it, but I can't see the benefit that the company gains by doing this.
There is no "gain" for either the company or the pilot. It's just the way the regs are written. Has been in place since 2012, not sure why it's not understood nearly eight years later. There is no requirement for OFF days (PRL in our case) during those 10 (or 20, or 100) LCR days. When they need you to fly, they take you off LCR for 30 hours, then give you a report time. Easy peasy.
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Old 02-14-2020 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
There is no "gain" for either the company or the pilot. It's just the way the regs are written. Has been in place since 2012, not sure why it's not understood nearly eight years later. There is no requirement for OFF days (PRL in our case) during those 10 (or 20, or 100) LCR days. When they need you to fly, they take you off LCR for 30 hours, then give you a report time. Easy peasy.
Yes, you need 30 off in 168, but it doesn't matter when the company gives it to you. They could give you 30 hours off every other day and that resets the clock every time it happens, as long as the rest is known and prospective.
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Old 02-14-2020 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
There is no "gain" for either the company or the pilot. It's just the way the regs are written. Has been in place since 2012, not sure why it's not understood nearly eight years later. There is no requirement for OFF days (PRL in our case) during those 10 (or 20, or 100) LCR days. When they need you to fly, they take you off LCR for 30 hours, then give you a report time. Easy peasy.
It would be a gain for the pilot if he went 168hrs LCR without a 30hr break. You would know that you aren't going to get a trip or SCL assignment without a 30hr break. Your 14hr callout just changed to a 30hr callout.
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Old 02-14-2020 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
It would be a gain for the pilot if he went 168hrs LCR without a 30hr break. You would know that you aren't going to get a trip or SCL assignment without a 30hr break. Your 14hr callout just changed to a 30hr callout.
This is the part that matters. That is why they always end up putting the PRL in weekly because otherwise you become useless as an LCR by now requiring a 30 hour call out.

The responses above are right...by strict definition, no, LCR is not duty. From a practical standpoint it ends up being treated that way.
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Old 02-14-2020 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
There is no "gain" for either the company or the pilot. It's just the way the regs are written. Has been in place since 2012, not sure why it's not understood nearly eight years later. There is no requirement for OFF days (PRL in our case) during those 10 (or 20, or 100) LCR days. When they need you to fly, they take you off LCR for 30 hours, then give you a report time. Easy peasy.
This is technically correct, but what use is an LCR pilot to CS if they now need a 30 hour call out? They’re not assigning trips that far in advance.
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Old 02-15-2020 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ClncClarence
This is technically correct, but what use is an LCR pilot to CS if they now need a 30 hour call out? They’re not assigning trips that far in advance.
Highflight not seeing the BIG picture. Shocker.
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