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SaintNick 10-05-2020 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by Wounded Duck (Post 3140727)
Respectfully, I disagree. Displacements are expensive for the company. They will reduce the number of 190 positions without a displacement. Some 190 guys will bid the 220 and some will take 320/321 vacancies opened up by those pilots bidding the 220. They will just carry a few more 190 pilots then they want rather then displacing. Why pay for displacements when guys will leave for free? In a couple years they will start making the trips unbearable to entice the stalwarts to bid off before they finally rip the Band-Aid off with a final displacement and liquidate the fleet.

That’s my tbought as well. Only way they change and displace is if hardly any captains leave.

SmitteyB 10-06-2020 02:30 AM


Originally Posted by Ted Striker (Post 3140529)
Tough call as well, bidding new equipment while everything is closed down at ocs. It would make for a long boring 4-6 wks of training.

I was there last week. Everything is open. Restaurants, bars, theme parks.

Even at the Lodge the bar, fitness center, and cafeteria (most options) all were open.

It’s business as usual down there with the exception of temperature screenings and masks.

Bozo the pilot 10-06-2020 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by SmitteyB (Post 3140925)
I was there last week. Everything is open. Restaurants, bars, theme parks.

Even at the Lodge the bar, fitness center, and cafeteria (most options) all were open.

It’s business as usual down there with the exception of temperature screenings and masks.

Agreed- Was just there. No major issues, No maskholes either.

nuball5 10-06-2020 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Ted Striker (Post 3140529)
I can’t see a ton of bus guys going 220 right away. Pay cut, plus more regional style flying. Tough call as well, bidding new equipment while everything is closed down at ocs. It would make for a long boring 4-6 wks of training.


Personally for me, the inability to quickly fly back home during the 2-4 days off they give you during the long 6 week QT footprint is the issue I have. Two flights/day to BOS makes things tough. I was down in MCO for QT training during the beginning of the pandemic. Not something I’d like to do again voluntarily.

Ted Striker 10-06-2020 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by SmitteyB (Post 3140925)
I was there last week. Everything is open. Restaurants, bars, theme parks.

Even at the Lodge the bar, fitness center, and cafeteria (most options) all were open.

It’s business as usual down there with the exception of temperature screenings and masks.

That’s good to hear at least. Makes it more bearable.

TristarJS30 10-07-2020 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by nuball5 (Post 3141287)
Personally for me, the inability to quickly fly back home during the 2-4 days off they give you during the long 6 week QT footprint is the issue I have. Two flights/day to BOS makes things tough. I was down in MCO for QT training during the beginning of the pandemic. Not something I’d like to do again voluntarily.

I have recurrent next month and was looking at flights. We have 3 a day between JFK and MCO. Zero to LGA. The JFK ones are either early morning, noon, or 2pm. Coming back the first flight is at 12:30, then around 2 and 7. Not exactly the most convenient.

disenchantMINT 10-07-2020 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by TristarJS30 (Post 3141816)
I have recurrent next month and was looking at flights. We have 3 a day between JFK and MCO. Zero to LGA. The JFK ones are either early morning, noon, or 2pm. Coming back the first flight is at 12:30, then around 2 and 7. Not exactly the most convenient.

Not even a miniscule fraction of the inconvenience commuters have been dealing with for 6+ months. You'll survive.

apes10 10-08-2020 12:10 AM


Originally Posted by disenchantMINT (Post 3141911)
Not even a miniscule fraction of the inconvenience commuters have been dealing with for 6+ months. You'll survive.

Totally agree with your point here. The commuting has gone from bearable to a complete disaster for a lot of us. I know I know it’s our choice but ... for someone to complain about a commute to/from training well you’ll live through it.

rvr1800 10-08-2020 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by disenchantMINT (Post 3141911)
Not even a miniscule fraction of the inconvenience commuters have been dealing with for 6+ months. You'll survive.

Apples to oranges.

I agree with the complaints about the training schedule and commuting to and from home. We have no say in our training schedule. One of the only restrictions is there must be a two day off period within a 14 day footprint. That makes it very difficult to get to and from home on days (or day in many cases) off. If you have a family, and especially if you have a wife that works and kids, it’s very hard to just be absent for the majority of a month. As a normal commuter yes your commute has gotten very difficult but you’re not flying much at all and you’re also given the option to take a VIL. To make matters worse many of these guys headed to training in the next few months are going there involuntarily.

So to be honest I feel a lot worse for them than I do you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

EDIT: I see you quoted Tristar and not Nuball’s post. Yeah getting to and from recurrent isn’t going to get much sympathy from me either.

Elismcpikle 10-08-2020 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by apes10 (Post 3141938)
Totally agree with your point here. The commuting has gone from bearable to a complete disaster for a lot of us. I know I know it’s our choice but ... for someone to complain about a commute to/from training well you’ll live through it.

let us not forget what Doug Parker says about this... “commuting is a choice.” Plan accordingly


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