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02-25-2020, 03:27 AM

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David Puddy

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Originally Posted by Flyby1206

Florida is where we struggle against Spirit, and it is a different story down there. In the NE we struggle against DL, who provides a massive network and a lot of other great things JB doesn't offer.

Should be interesting to see how the A220 factors into the equation as it replaces less versatile and higher CASM E190s.... However, with the slow production rate out of Mobile, it might take awhile to realize the benefits.

02-25-2020, 03:55 AM

#12

Flyby1206

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Originally Posted by David Puddy

True, our 220s will help a bit, but NK CASM is probably still going to be significantly lower than our 220 CASM.

I am concerned about additional 220 and 321 delays from Airbus. I wouldn’t be surprised by both of these.

02-25-2020, 04:58 AM

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Bluedriver

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Originally Posted by Flyby1206

Yep. Likely more delays. Yet Frontier and Spirit are taking way more Airbus deliveries than JB and are half the size of JB.

02-25-2020, 05:28 AM

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pilotpayne

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Originally Posted by aldonite7667

The problem is that Jb doesn’t want to spend ANY MONEY. none. They are in cost cutting mode and have been for years. They think they can cut themselves into a better position. Everyone but the managers know they can’t. This place is run by a bunch of clown kids.

This is exactly right.

02-25-2020, 05:33 AM

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Bluedriver

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Originally Posted by pilotpayne

This is exactly right.

Like the spirit guy said, JB isn't even competing.

02-25-2020, 08:56 AM

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P-3Bubba

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Originally Posted by nkbux

Spirit guy here...easy answer to this... JB doesn’t compete... they have an awesome product and a VERY loyal following in the NE... A JB pax living in suburban CT has no interest in saving 60 bucks to ride on Spirit to Florida. The market has shown in recent years that both can be financially viable. Spirit is Walmart and JB is Macy’s. We are growing like crazy at Spirit and we’re finally running a great airline operationally. I could be completely wrong but I don’t think JB management is shivering in they’re shoes by any stretch of the imagination. Just my 02 cents.

I don’t know. Im a suburban CT guy and I see my friends talking about the “Great Deal” Spirit just gave them. Even paying $100 to get their bike on the jet. Jetblue was double to transport his bike. Hes a big Triathlete.

-Bubs

02-25-2020, 09:35 AM

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nkbux

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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba

I get it... im a spirit pilot... and I’m proud of the progress I’ve seen here in the almost decade since I started... but I still stand by the product differential being the line in the sand. Even with the upgrades we’re doing with new cabins, WiFi, etc... it’s pails in comparison to the mint experience for example. Not better or worse but different. There’s a market for both and if I’m going from NYC to Vegas on personal time... guess who I wanna ride on? Not my own metal... the seats are awful for anything over 3 hours. The average business person who is paying with a company credit card is gonna use blue 99 out of 100 times. Spirit caters to the leisure market and is trying to market small business owners on budgets. They’ve been successful so far. I interviewed at both... Spirit offered first. I got lucky and I’m very senior with less than 10 years seniority and I literally make my own schedule. Spirit looks good in a recession because they can manipulate things and keep costs and CASM down. IMO (which ain’t worth much) you’ll see Blue continue to spread they’re premium product on transcons and over the Atlantic and be successful. You’ll NEVER see a yellow airplane competing on those routes.