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02-13-2022, 04:50 PM
#272
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Originally Posted by 814Pilot
I hear rumblings that we’ve taken Breeze’s A220 deliveries slots due to them not being able to staff it, accelerating the retirement of the E190? Any truth to this?
02-13-2022, 06:41 PM
#273
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,002
Originally Posted by BeatNavy
I hear an announcement regarding 220s will happen in the next few days. And the 5G issues with the 190 will accelerate their retirement.
Whats going on with the 190? Do they not have an approved AMOC yet like the 320/220?
02-13-2022, 07:08 PM
#274
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 603
Originally Posted by nuball5
Whats going on with the 190? Do they not have an approved AMOC yet like the 320/220?
02-13-2022, 09:39 PM
#275
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Originally Posted by avi8orco
We have Amoc approval on the 190, every release prints out with the runways we are legal to fly. It covers pretty much the majority that we would need to fly an an approach for. Embraer also removed the autothrottle restrictions.
02-14-2022, 04:00 AM
#276
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,889
Originally Posted by PotatoChip
January they offered triple time for over a week. Further, New Year’s Day was triple time (instead of normal double time), and MLK was double time.
After that, the company’s inability to staff and thus emergency assign (EA) crews to other flights results in additional pay. I was also extended beyond my original pairing segment (EPS) on a couple occasions, which also resulted in more pay.
In February I picked up premium time (150%), and I’ve already been EPS once, which resulted in an additional five hours pay.
Basically… You can Volunteer Duty Assignment (VDA) if you are senior, which allows the company to assign you trips on days off for 200%z
You can sign up for needed reserve shifts at 150% (RSA).
You can be extended (two-five additional hours pay plus 200%). EPS.
You can be EA. 200% for flying assigned.
After that, the company’s inability to staff and thus emergency assign (EA) crews to other flights results in additional pay. I was also extended beyond my original pairing segment (EPS) on a couple occasions, which also resulted in more pay.
In February I picked up premium time (150%), and I’ve already been EPS once, which resulted in an additional five hours pay.
Basically… You can Volunteer Duty Assignment (VDA) if you are senior, which allows the company to assign you trips on days off for 200%z
You can sign up for needed reserve shifts at 150% (RSA).
You can be extended (two-five additional hours pay plus 200%). EPS.
You can be EA. 200% for flying assigned.
The guy/gal asked for ACCURACY, specifically, and you give the most lopsided example in recent JB history? Is this a joke?
To the original guy/gal asking, the trip and duty rigs and related rules mean you normally get a 75ish to 88ish line of flying with 13-16 days off. Take 75-88 and multiply by 1st year pay, or 2nd year pay.
Almost anything above that, typically, will require you to work more days, often at straight pay, sometimes at roughly 150%, very rarely at 200%. And a lot of the time you have to have a great FLICA bot.
And some of the best stuff is seniority based, like VDA, and you will have no seniority as a new hire. So don't count on it, and some of these super high credit examples do not paint a normal picture.
02-14-2022, 04:18 AM
#277
Layover Master
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Position: Seated
Posts: 4,311
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
To my knowledge January 2022 was the first and only time in the recent decade that JB offered 300%. And add to the anomaly (statistically unusual event) they did so for many days. And... by letter of agreement I believe they are prevented from doing so again...
The guy/gal asked for ACCURACY, specifically, and you give the most lopsided example in recent JB history? Is this a joke?
To the original guy/gal asking, the trip and duty rigs and related rules mean you normally get a 75ish to 88ish line of flying with 13-16 days off. Take 75-88 and multiply by 1st year pay, or 2nd year pay.
Almost anything above that, typically, will require you to work more days, often at straight pay, sometimes at roughly 150%, very rarely at 200%. And a lot of the time you have to have a great FLICA bot.
And some of the best stuff is seniority based, like VDA, and you will have no seniority as a new hire. So don't count on it, and some of these super high credit examples do not paint a normal picture.
The guy/gal asked for ACCURACY, specifically, and you give the most lopsided example in recent JB history? Is this a joke?
To the original guy/gal asking, the trip and duty rigs and related rules mean you normally get a 75ish to 88ish line of flying with 13-16 days off. Take 75-88 and multiply by 1st year pay, or 2nd year pay.
Almost anything above that, typically, will require you to work more days, often at straight pay, sometimes at roughly 150%, very rarely at 200%. And a lot of the time you have to have a great FLICA bot.
And some of the best stuff is seniority based, like VDA, and you will have no seniority as a new hire. So don't count on it, and some of these super high credit examples do not paint a normal picture.
VDA sucks for most of the pilot group. I have mentioned this. More than once. Not only here, but in repeated surveys and PDRs.
This was the first time in my life I’ve had 300%. At any airline.
I was being a deliberate PIA due to the OP being unable to use an already viable useful thread with the information they sought. I followed that up with reasonably accurate info because I’m not a total db, only a partial one.
FWIW, I’m in a vacation month, crediting 120 with 17 days off and 47 block.
02-14-2022, 04:42 AM
#278
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,002
Originally Posted by BeatNavy
DCA JFK LGA HPN were not on my releases yesterday as having AMOC approved runways. And there have in fact been some operational issues with it recently.
Just compared a 190 release to the other two fleets and you’re right. That can’t be good….
02-14-2022, 05:04 AM
#279
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Originally Posted by nuball5
Just compared a 190 release to the other two fleets and you’re right. That can’t be good….
I wouldn’t be surprised if the lease returns (occurring from 23-26) are the last surviving 190s…guess it probably depends on whatever this alleged 220 announcement entails. Joanna and Scott both told me separately that they don’t want -100s due to the economics of the -300s being so much better, but that -100s can be sourced from Mirabel without tariffs apparently, but not -300s, so those had to come from Mobile without costing more, and mobile FAL was full for a while. So I see 1 or 2 of the following scenarios happening. We take some -100s from Mirabel, we take some -300s from someone else’s delivery slots, we take some -300s from Mirabel and eat the tariffs, or we end up leasing more planes from someone else. This next week, and the supplemental bid should give some indication as to what’s happening. Interesting times though.
Last edited by BeatNavy; 02-14-2022 at 05:17 AM.
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