LOA17 is out
03-10-2022, 02:24 PM
#22
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I've only seen the highlight so I'm gonna reserve judgement until I read the entire thing.
That said, if there's a solid NO vote from the group, can't the arbitrator just make a decision for us at that point? I'm guessing if it comes down to that, we'll be even less happy than we are now.
That said, if there's a solid NO vote from the group, can't the arbitrator just make a decision for us at that point? I'm guessing if it comes down to that, we'll be even less happy than we are now.
03-10-2022, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AYLflyer
That said, if there's a solid NO vote from the group, can't the arbitrator just make a decision for us at that point? I'm guessing if it comes down to that, we'll be even less happy than we are now.
All he can do is decide if the company is violating section 1.F.7 and 1.F.8 of our contract, and, if he determines that they are, order them to stop any NEA activities that do so. It sounds like he has already decided this matter but would rather not issue his decision because “nobody wins”.
Reading the letter twice, it is my OPINION that he is siding with ALPA.
03-10-2022, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Regional8ball
the offer is what it is. …I highly doubt the arbitration will be better. A No just keeps more $$ out of pilots pockets.
03-10-2022, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by AYLflyer
I've only seen the highlight so I'm gonna reserve judgement until I read the entire thing.
That said, if there's a solid NO vote from the group, can't the arbitrator just make a decision for us at that point? I'm guessing if it comes down to that, we'll be even less happy than we are now.
That said, if there's a solid NO vote from the group, can't the arbitrator just make a decision for us at that point? I'm guessing if it comes down to that, we'll be even less happy than we are now.
03-10-2022, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Regional8ball
the offer is what it is. …I highly doubt the arbitration will be better. A No just keeps more $$ out of pilots pockets.
03-10-2022, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Regional8ball
the offer is what it is. …I highly doubt the arbitration will be better. A No just keeps more $$ out of pilots pockets.
03-10-2022, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by capt707
There won't be any offer from the arbitrator! People need to understand that this is not Section 6 negotiations, there is no going back and getting more. If the arbitrator rules, he cannot make the NEA go away, he cannot award us more money, profit sharing, etc. He will issue a remedy, which my guess would be a cease and desist from violating 1F8, which would probably require JB to coordinate with AA and adjust flight schedules. You guys need to read the entire TA! All the contractual gains aside, the collars and protections around 1F7 and 1F8 are a lot tighter now compared to LOA 13, which was a complete mess and I voted no. There are now monetary penalties for not meeting growth, I don't see anything about Caribbean flying anymore like LOA 13. The renewal/termination language looks to be cleaned up.
03-10-2022, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by KNOTAPILOT
I think you asked me about why I said weak scope. The growth was that. Do you feel confident the company won’t do the base minimum to meet such metrics in order to keep the NEA going. You know they’ll also extend that NEA too. I don’t see enough scope protection and I see too much lost for what is a 3 percent raise and a one time 6k bonus. We’re also not mentioning the most important aspect of it all, profit sharing. I’ll give them the bonus back and the 3 percent if they’re so confident the NEA is good then pay us from the extra earnings it generates. Realistically all I see is the usual corporate greed while they still sell us on the “caring value”
