LOA17 is out
03-10-2022, 06:36 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by Roy Biggins
I tend to agree with what you’re saying here, but why don’t our reps (191)? What are we missing? This just feels demoralizing.
03-11-2022, 03:22 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
arbitrator doesn’t issue awards. He rules on whether or not it’s a contract violation. That’s it. Then if it’s rules that way, company fights it and it goes to federal court. He can’t just say “ok here’s 6.9% instead.”
03-11-2022, 03:24 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
I don’t want to speak for them. They will put out a comm I think, or at least express their opinions at the roadshow. But I’ve spoken to one of them, and my assessment of what he said is he doesn’t think it’s necessarily a great deal, but voted to send it to the group for a variety of reasons. But, I’ll let them speak for themselves on the matter.
Holding it close to the vest until they can give us the used car salesman "roadshow experience"? Its a dead giveaway that they know its a terrible deal. Now they are gonna try to scare you into voting for it. (It will be fear based because there aren't a lot of positives here.) This shouldn't have been released to the members. If the arbitator wants to nullifying faith in all CBAs by allowing a plain text violation of one, then let him. At least then we will KNOW where we stand and it won't be us f###ing ourselves.
I would vote to join ALPA again in a heartbeat, but our union absolutely blows.
03-11-2022, 03:50 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer
Holding it close to the vest until they can give us the used car salesman "roadshow experience"? Its a dead giveaway that they know its a terrible deal. Now they are gonna try to scare you into voting for it. (It will be fear based because there aren't a lot of positives here.) This shouldn't have been released to the members. If the arbitator wants to nullifying faith in all CBAs by allowing a plain text violation of one, then let him. At least then we will KNOW where we stand and it won't be us f###ing ourselves.
I would vote to join ALPA again in a heartbeat, but our union absolutely blows.
I would vote to join ALPA again in a heartbeat, but our union absolutely blows.
03-11-2022, 04:26 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
I don’t want to speak for them. They will put out a comm I think, or at least express their opinions at the roadshow. But I’ve spoken to one of them, and my assessment of what he said is he doesn’t think it’s necessarily a great deal, but voted to send it to the group for a variety of reasons. But, I’ll let them speak for themselves on the matter.
03-11-2022, 04:44 AM
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The pilot group is in a terrible position, that’s been brought about by continued mistakes of our current MEC chairman.
The only lesson to learn from this is that CK has to be removed.
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The only lesson to learn from this is that CK has to be removed.
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03-11-2022, 05:26 AM
#48
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What a shame. The results of this TA were a preview into contract negotiations and I am, erm, underwhelmed. An extra $150 a month and a taxed-down-to-nothing bonus isn’t going to make or break me, but a bad long-term contract will. No vote!
03-11-2022, 05:29 AM
#49
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Originally Posted by Softpayman
I. (I'm not sure where you guys think inflation has some part in this...)..
Because inflation is up 8% over the past year (when the NEA was in effect). We are stuck on our current wages without the ability to get a raise. CBA2 could take years.
It would have been nice to at least mitigate the inflation of the past year and break even. Are you content with a paycut?
03-11-2022, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by panpanpan
Because inflation is up 8% over the past year (when the NEA was in effect). We are stuck on our current wages without the ability to get a raise. CBA2 could take years.
It would have been nice to at least mitigate the inflation of the past year and break even. Are you content with a paycut?
It would have been nice to at least mitigate the inflation of the past year and break even. Are you content with a paycut?
