Boomer

After reading Jim’s, Chris’s, and Robin’s memos about fuel prices, I think we all owe it to the company to vote no on the AIP.

We’ll keep our contract, they can keep their $30 million.

They can “get us next time” instead of us “getting them next time.”

KNOTAPILOT

I think what worries me most is the thought the majority if not all NO voters now are the same as last time. I think the yes voters from last time will vote yes to this, and pretty much anything anyone ever gives them. The real issue is how many NO voters will now say yes because they’re getting a whole 4k extra. The 3 percent was there from the last time. There’s so many pilots in Jetblue that will sell their souls for 1k, same bot dudes when COVID was at its prime. Include the bunch of new hires that want a few thousand for pocket money while they wait for a class at a legacy. It’ll pass, and I won’t single engine taxi a single day. Cute the same company that violated the contract with a smile asks for our help to save fuel. This whole “caring” thing goes both ways.

DWC CAP10 USAF

This happened with TA1 at Delta back in 2015…pilots overwhelmingly voted it down (first time in DL history), the LEC reps that voted yes were recalled. New reps were voted in, and TA-2 was negotiated and passed less than a year later.

Desdi

So let me get this straight… the people who are about to negotiate our new contract came up with this AIP with the seal of approval of the our union leaders which originally let the camel’s nose in the tent through LOA 12 without pilot input which consequently led to over $100 million (so far) of incremental revenue through the NEA (as per the quarterly earnings call) and we get offered scraps in return followed immediately by emails from “Jim” and the chiefs begging us to conserve fuel, single engine taxi, conserve APU usage at the gate….I can’t wait to be asked if I’m “willing to extend” or “waive CBA hours of service” this summer…. I’m at a loss how management can’t see the connection. And I’m underwhelmed with the MEC leadership and the Negotiating Committee. I’ll be voting no in disgust.

capt707

I wouldn't even compare this to the LOA 13 vote, because 13 was a complete disaster. Actually, this whole mess started with LOA 12, and after the pushy sales job of 13 that was the final nail in the coffin. I think a lot voted Yes because of the fear... fear of furlough and/ or fear of the unknown and how this AA partnership would really affect us. The No votes came from pilots only fixating on the $$ (as usual), and a certain mgmt person saying they would go ahead with the NEA regardless of the vote, which led us to where we are now, a grievance settlement or an arbitrator ruling. I think people fail to see that JB was actually able to implement the majority of the NEA without violating any parts of our scope, except section F7 and F8. The entire NEA is not a violation of our scope. A small part of it is. We still have Scope protection! IF this TA fails to ratify, the arbitrator will most likely rule that F8 (Focus2Focus City) is a violation and order a remedy, I'm guessing cease and desist. The NEA will continue and we get no contractual gains outside of section 6. One more thing most are forgetting as well. AA and JB are still getting sued by the DOJ and 6 states over the NEA. That trial starts in September. Read the TA definitions of "material change" and the section talking about it. This TA is not tied to the outcome of the DOJ lawsuit, as a matter of fact, if the DOJ rules against the NEA this TA will help us. Do your own research by getting the facts from the people that were on the inside when this was negotiated and reach out to your reps. Bottom line. either we will make the decision or the arbitrator will.

RiddleEagle18

F.8 also includes international scope. We are giving that away also. It’s not just FC-FC.


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Bluedriver

What contractual gains? It's F7 and F8 for the life of the NEA vs 12-24 months of 3%. That doesn't sound like a good deal to me...

nuball5

Antitrust suits typically take years to come to a conclusion followed by years of appeals….notoriously slow.

KNOTAPILOT

To me those 2 sections are worth more than a few thousand and a 3 percent raise. Even if the arbitrator handed it to them it’s the principle. I’m not just going to violate the contract and rub it in my face. To offer scraps to the pilot group and then ask for help is even more mockery. I know I won’t be single engine taxiing or helping out the operations.

DontCallMeCindy

“The company hasn't made billions and billions off of it”

…because we’re only 1 year into the agreement.

In order to evaluate this LOA, one should contemplate the overall revenue of the agreement over the 10-year period it has been constructed for, no?

You’re also completely minimizing the arbitrator‘s wording in the memo. He literally proposed sharing NEA revenue with pilots as an appropriate remedy. So I’m super curious how you’ve twisted that into “we’ll only get a few million.”

All ears on how you concluded that a one-time 3% and a $4k check (after taxes), is “the best we can do”, when the arbitrator’s commentary about sharing revenue with pilots going forward are there for all to see.