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seekingblue 04-26-2022 03:16 AM

We have a pilot attrition problem
 
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So say JG in a press release!

granted, the press release was to blame everyone but management…. But fairly incredible that they acknowledge we have a problem…..

MainlineFlyer 04-26-2022 04:11 AM

So instead of increasing pay, or providing profit sharing which would improve moralle, bring back the customer experience that made this place, and provide incentives to find other efficiencies (thus saving money in the long run), we will just spend millions on new sims and instructors.

Makes sense.

capt707 04-26-2022 04:18 AM

Yes, we have pilot attrition, but it has actually slowed down a bit. It is not as bad as other airlines (e.g. Alaska). OSC is/was a complete mess for the last few months, again, due to management failures. This management team has never taken responsibility or accountability for anything, it’s always someone else's fault!

Flyby1206 04-26-2022 04:26 AM


Originally Posted by capt707 (Post 3412389)
Yes, we have pilot attrition, but it has actually slowed down a bit. It is not as bad as other airlines (e.g. Alaska). OSC is/was a complete mess for the last few months, again, due to management failures. This management team has never taken responsibility or accountability for anything, it’s always someone else's fault!

Of course it is never management’s fault. If they admit to making mistakes then they get fired. Shifting the blame to something else (or someone else) is an act of self-preservation for them. That’s why this Alex Battaglia stuff is great for Joanna and Robin’s self interest.

FNGFO 04-26-2022 04:33 AM


Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3412388)
So instead of increasing pay, or providing profit sharing which would improve moralle, bring back the customer experience that made this place, and provide incentives to find other efficiencies (thus saving money in the long run), we will just spend millions on new sims and instructors.

Makes sense.

Paying the crews will be the last lever any management group pulls. NK I’d probably going to park planes before they do it. Which they won’t.

JayRalstonSmith 04-26-2022 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3412388)
So instead of increasing pay, or providing profit sharing which would improve moralle, bring back the customer experience that made this place, and provide incentives to find other efficiencies (thus saving money in the long run), we will just spend millions on new sims and instructors.

Makes sense.

That's what Section 6 is for. And we need the new sims and instructors. Look, we do have an attrition problem. If you're 24 and have an ATP or a commercial ticket, the world is your oyster. I was heartened today to hear Hayes say on earnings that pay rates will converge across all carriers, which means everyone is going to get PAID.

Flyby1206 04-26-2022 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by JayRalstonSmith (Post 3412472)
I was heartened today to hear Hayes say on earnings that pay rates will converge across all carriers, which means everyone is going to get PAID.

“We write it, you sign it”

-wise man referencing our next contract

Bluedriver 04-26-2022 07:22 AM

Absolutely disgusting call. Attrition of pilots is mentioned many times, and even cited as the main reason for restricting future growth plans. Their solution? Just plan for more attrition, plan for more training events, and accept less airline growth.

Virtually no mention whatsoever about fixing ANY of the reasons pilots leave JB. Truly disgusting "leadership". Can't manage the operation, can't manage personnel retention and morale. What would their solution be if they couldn't attract and retain executive talent? I know the answer, they know the answer, but somehow that's not really considered for the group that drives the airplanes.

They won't even take simplest, most basic step of offering profit sharing.

And the stock is falling like a boulder today.

BeatNavy 04-26-2022 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3412497)
Absolutely disgusting call. Attrition of pilots is mentioned many times, and even cited as the main reason for restricting future growth plans. Their solution? Just plan for more attrition, plan for more training events, and accept less airline growth.

Virtually no mention whatsoever about fixing ANY of the reasons pilots leave JB. Truly disgusting "leadership". Can't manage the operation, can't manage personnel retention and morale. What would their solution be if they couldn't attract and retain executive talent? I know the answer, they know the answer, but somehow that's not really considered for the group that drives the airplanes.

They won't even take simplest, most basic step of offering profit sharing.

And the stock is falling like a boulder today.

At least Jaime Baker took a huge shot at them with the Neeleman firing reference.

But man, tough call. “Doubling down on culture.” “Relying on gateway hiring programs which have lower attrition.” All while saying pilot staffing is the limiting factor for growth. Despite golden handcuffs, I might need to get some apps together.

JulesWinfield 04-26-2022 07:40 AM

Money to burn to buy Spirit, but not pay enough to keep people. Nice.


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