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FLPilot3190 12-14-2022 10:09 PM

Looks like we’ve got a TA after all…

Softpayman 12-14-2022 11:05 PM

Boom Shacka Lacka.

PILOTGUY 12-15-2022 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3552080)
what's Chatter? And how do you see it?

A couple different WhatsApp chat groups. Seems someone always knows someone, but at least the bare minimum of information comes through.

Hopefully everyone has seen the Blast now.

TA reached at midnight. It is being voted on this morning.
Fingers crossed

MainlineFlyer 12-15-2022 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by Desdi (Post 3552029)
They must be arguing over whether the rates should be DL +5% or DL +6%….. I’m sure that’s the sticking point :)


Yeah. A TA with basically no fight involved. I'm sure its stellar.

I've tried to argue for DAL or UAL rates to some of our union leadership and they sound like Robin trying to manage expectations.

I hope I'm wrong though.

Bluedriver 12-15-2022 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3552319)
Yeah. A TA with basically no fight involved. I'm sure its stellar.

I've tried to argue for DAL or UAL rates to some of our union leadership and they sound like Robin trying to manage expectations.

I hope I'm wrong though.

You better be...

BernieM86 12-15-2022 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3552319)
Yeah. A TA with basically no fight involved. I'm sure its stellar.

I've tried to argue for DAL or UAL rates to some of our union leadership and they sound like Robin trying to manage expectations.

I hope I'm wrong though.

What do you mean no fight involved? The company fought this hard, trying to make it seem like the union was the problem by bringing up unexpected “items of little economic value”. Suddenly they are buying the MEC reps off their trips and desperately not letting them walk out the door to declare a labor dispute. How would the TA be anything trash if they signed off with that kind of power?

The Delta deal shows that they paid a hefty price for waiting. They could’ve given us Alaska + weeks ago and we probably would’ve signed, only to have buyer’s remorse being locked in once the Delta AIP rolled out. Only costs them more to wait, especially since everyone will probably demand Delta or better, willing to risk protracted labor disputes as a result.

Bluedriver 12-15-2022 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by BernieM86 (Post 3552376)
What do you mean no fight involved? The company fought this hard, trying to make it seem like the union was the problem by bringing up unexpected “items of little economic value”. Suddenly they are buying the MEC reps off their trips and desperately not letting them walk out the door to declare a labor dispute. How would the TA be anything trash if they signed off with that kind of power?

The Delta deal shows that they paid a hefty price for waiting. They could’ve given us Alaska + weeks ago and we probably would’ve signed, only to have buyer’s remorse being locked in once the Delta AIP rolled out. Only costs them more to wait, especially since everyone will probably demand Delta or better, willing to risk protracted labor disputes as a result.

Well, in fairness it seems the company fought this hard, and then didn't...

IAFDOF 12-15-2022 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3552377)
Well, in fairness it seems the company fought this hard, and then didn't...

I dont see how that can be anything but good. We had negotiations sessions scheduled thru to January, no? And a labor dispute to throw in if we needed it. We wrapped early, on the heels of Delta’s TA (er, well, and NK’s, too)… It might not be mindblowing, but I bet it gets the job done.

Bluedriver 12-15-2022 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by IAFDOF (Post 3552386)
I dont see how that can be anything but good. We had negotiations sessions scheduled thru to January, no? And a labor dispute to throw in if we needed it. We wrapped early, on the heels of Delta’s TA (er, well, and NK’s, too)… It might not be mindblowing, but I bet it gets the job done.

I agree with your logic, unless... Unless the pilot groups surveys and NC/MEC expectations were too low. I know they adjusted their "ask" after the Delta AIP/TA, but did they raise it enough???

That is the multi-million dollar question.

tzskipper1 12-15-2022 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by SaintNick (Post 3551448)
why did southwest had the best rates for years… they were a lcc at the time. Just cause you aren’t flying wide bodies doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be paid the same as legacies flying same aircraft.


If memory serves; SW rates only exceeded legacy rates after the legacies went through bk post 9-11.

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