Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3491074)

Revenue sharing would be great, but the rest of that is pretty much hogwash.

When the company returns to profitability, we would get profit sharing, if we had a good profit sharing plan. Period.

You don't see Delta and SWA pilots arguing to give up their profit sharing plans... In fact, Delta pilots made it clear that they will not give up their profit sharing plan, despite it being one of management's top goals.

Originally Posted by I was inverted (Post 3491076)

It’s never a good time to go for PS. In good times it costs the company too much so they won’t give it away…in bad times/ie when there’s no profit, there’s no perceived value to the nearsighted pilot group so they don’t want to deal with trying to get it. Then everyone complains about not having any when delta pilots are out buying Miatas and Porsches with their PS checks. B6 pilots need to play the long game. Profit will come back. Leverage and CBA cycles rarely align to be in a strong position. Now is the time to demand PS, along with industry leading pay rates. Especially given the current industry landscape and hiring environment. And remember, PS costs the company nothing in bad times, not much in marginal times, and only costs them a lot when they are rolling in it…so realistically it shouldn’t take much negotiation capital. Demand it.

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3489624)

Didn’t your contract become amendable in Aug? Any good rumors about negotiations?

Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot (Post 3492083)

I can’t imagine a JCBA until the merger is approved. The company would just have to come back and do the entire process over with the Spirit group (3 party negotiation) before an SLI can be done. Giving a contract now doesn’t make any sense. It will likely be 2 years off if the merger is approved.

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3492192)

I wasn’t asking about the JCBA, I was asking about YOUR CBA. Surely you don’t intend to let things ride until the JCBA has fo be done? Not in THIS pilot leverage environment.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3492196)

I think you're talking to a United pilot's teenager. He's not one of ours.

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3491096)

A revenue sharing plan WOULD make it more difficult to ‘cook the books’ because even under GAAP, the opportunities to convert profit into something else - something that won’t trigger profit sharing, are legion. Revenue sharing is like sales tax. If you sell something the government gets a cut. So if management sells a ticket, the pilots get a cut. Simple, basic, and hard to finagle out of.

Originally Posted by Descendto450 (Post 3492768)

Fully agree, PS is too easy for management to get out of. Plus it would be a separate plan that no other work group would have. If we negotiate a better PS scheme blue books dictates that all work groups would get it. Hence why PS will cost us too much but revenue sharing is IMO attainable in CBA 2.0.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3492779)

1. You are wrong about it being "too easy for management to get out of", if properly worded.