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Old 11-26-2022 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
So he was convicted of a felony in 2006 yet the FAA issued him an ATP in 2016 despite 61.153c?
Exactly what I want to know. How on Gods Green Earth is he a "Good Moral Character"?
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Old 11-26-2022 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
So he was convicted of a felony in 2006 yet the FAA issued him an ATP in 2016 despite 61.153c?
It’s very unlikely the FAA knew, or hell, even knows about this guy’s history.

When you fill out the 8710, paper or via IACRA, the only thing it asks about legal trouble is if you’ve been convicted of a drug offense. The form 8500-8, the medical application filled out via Medexpress, asks if you’ve been convicted of a DUI or an offense that revokes your driving privledge. He likely has nothing that checks those boxes, therefore the FAA knows nothing of his convictions.

The bottom line is they don’t run a background check to get a pilot certificate, including an ATP. The only way you get your background looked at with respect to training or getting a certificate is by the DHS, but that’s if you are a foreigner getting training for a private, a multi engine, or a type rating. That’s on the CFI or training organization. If you’re a US citizen, which he is, that doesn’t apply.

61.153(c) is a formality in the regulations. The only barrier to that would really be an examiner. If you go show up for an ATP ride and you’re clearly a lunatic with no morals the examiner can, and I’d hope would, deny you the certificate on that basis, but he’s not going to, nor has to, run a criminal background check.

The only thing I see in this situation as a blatant disregard of moral and legal obligation is by the company. Our op specs allow the company to act as representatives of the FAA with respect to pilot certification. The type rating he is getting is basically an extension of an ATP certificate. The company ran a background check as they are required to do and know full well this guy’s history. Therefore the company has hard information that shows a requirement of the ATP certificate for this guy is clearly not met. They are walking into a liability disaster by allowing him through the training pipeline and into one of our flight decks. If an incident occurs involving him, God help them.
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Old 11-26-2022 | 09:13 PM
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Trying to beat us at our own game? We might have a few DUIs at NK, but this guy certainly offsets that.... Get him out while he is still on probation! (and not the one that ends in 2044)
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Old 11-26-2022 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SaintNick
First news outlet got wind of it.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/jetbl...ibextid=Zxz2cZ
hopefully a few more

Lol “news”, his hiring was the side story in that blog post.
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Old 11-27-2022 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by SaintNick
First news outlet got wind of it.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/jetbl...ibextid=Zxz2cZ
hopefully a few more

Great. Now its wrapped up in anti-vax conspiracy land. This should help our credibility in removing him...
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Old 11-27-2022 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by avi8orco
It’s very unlikely the FAA knew, or hell, even knows about this guy’s history.

When you fill out the 8710, paper or via IACRA, the only thing it asks about legal trouble is if you’ve been convicted of a drug offense. The form 8500-8, the medical application filled out via Medexpress, asks if you’ve been convicted of a DUI or an offense that revokes your driving privledge. He likely has nothing that checks those boxes, therefore the FAA knows nothing of his convictions.

The bottom line is they don’t run a background check to get a pilot certificate, including an ATP. The only way you get your background looked at with respect to training or getting a certificate is by the DHS, but that’s if you are a foreigner getting training for a private, a multi engine, or a type rating. That’s on the CFI or training organization. If you’re a US citizen, which he is, that doesn’t apply.

61.153(c) is a formality in the regulations. The only barrier to that would really be an examiner. If you go show up for an ATP ride and you’re clearly a lunatic with no morals the examiner can, and I’d hope would, deny you the certificate on that basis, but he’s not going to, nor has to, run a criminal background check.

The only thing I see in this situation as a blatant disregard of moral and legal obligation is by the company. Our op specs allow the company to act as representatives of the FAA with respect to pilot certification. The type rating he is getting is basically an extension of an ATP certificate. The company ran a background check as they are required to do and know full well this guy’s history. Therefore the company has hard information that shows a requirement of the ATP certificate for this guy is clearly not met. They are walking into a liability disaster by allowing him through the training pipeline and into one of our flight decks. If an incident occurs involving him, God help them.
Incorrect. The 8500-8 medical form asks you about all misdemeanor and felony convictions in addition to motor vehicle actions.
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Old 11-27-2022 | 07:13 AM
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I wouldn't exactly be trusting the Daily Wire as any sort of actual news, but I found this quote interesting...

"The first pilot who spoke with The Daily Wire said that the airline was training Perrys to fly the Airbus A320, and that “several instructors have refused to train him. Many captains have told management they’ll refuse to fly with him.”"

Is this just heresay or did instructors actually refuse to train him? We all know the high school gossip here at the airlines. I could see an instructor calling in sick or swapping without actual knowledge of who the student was, another pilot saw it and reported it as "Not wanting to fly with him". If the guy is legit still on federal probation until 2044 than he shouldn't be employed as an airline pilot, but I'd like to know if pilots here are actually refusing to fly with him.

Also, obligatory mention that the FAA will continue to ground pilots for seeking help with mental health and medical issues, yet apparently have no problem giving a guy with a violent criminal background and 20 more years of probation an ATP. Way to go FAA, keep up the good work!
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Old 11-27-2022 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by AYLflyer
I wouldn't exactly be trusting the Daily Wire as any sort of actual news, but I found this quote interesting...

"The first pilot who spoke with The Daily Wire said that the airline was training Perrys to fly the Airbus A320, and that “several instructors have refused to train him. Many captains have told management they’ll refuse to fly with him.”"

Is this just heresay or did instructors actually refuse to train him? We all know the high school gossip here at the airlines. I could see an instructor calling in sick or swapping without actual knowledge of who the student was, another pilot saw it and reported it as "Not wanting to fly with him". If the guy is legit still on federal probation until 2044 than he shouldn't be employed as an airline pilot, but I'd like to know if pilots here are actually refusing to fly with him.

Also, obligatory mention that the FAA will continue to ground pilots for seeking help with mental health and medical issues, yet apparently have no problem giving a guy with a violent criminal background and 20 more years of probation an ATP. Way to go FAA, keep up the good work!
That is not hearsay. Multiple instructors and pilots have stated their intention to refuse to train or fly with the felon. The FA’s are speaking up as well.
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Old 11-27-2022 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AYLflyer
I wouldn't exactly be trusting the Daily Wire as any sort of actual news, but I found this quote interesting...

"The first pilot who spoke with The Daily Wire said that the airline was training Perrys to fly the Airbus A320, and that “several instructors have refused to train him. Many captains have told management they’ll refuse to fly with him.”"

Is this just heresay or did instructors actually refuse to train him? We all know the high school gossip here at the airlines. I could see an instructor calling in sick or swapping without actual knowledge of who the student was, another pilot saw it and reported it as "Not wanting to fly with him". If the guy is legit still on federal probation until 2044 than he shouldn't be employed as an airline pilot, but I'd like to know if pilots here are actually refusing to fly with him.

Also, obligatory mention that the FAA will continue to ground pilots for seeking help with mental health and medical issues, yet apparently have no problem giving a guy with a violent criminal background and 20 more years of probation an ATP. Way to go FAA, keep up the good work!
I will refuse to ever step on a plane with someone as unstable as him. Will never take a chance to be on a plane and possibly have a German wings event happen while me or my family present.
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Old 11-27-2022 | 12:17 PM
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So progressive JB is. Dont care about felonies but how dare you be unvaxxed and work here.
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