Why would I not hedge my bet in this case though? You’re exactly right about this, I am essentially hedging my bet. Look, if we were in a full negotiation or not up against a timeline, I wouldn’t even look twice at this. If we send this back and best case scenario plays out, tell me what it would take for you to vote yes? Mind you, that’s May at the earliest. But what’s it take for you to say yes.

I don't agree with the first part of your statement, but I hear that a lot. Here's why I disagree. There's a reason why JB agreed to the extension vs complete CBA. They have a retention problem and we would have been so far behind with rates alone that it would become an issue. They didn't agree to the extension talk out of the goodness of their hearts. That's not how JB management operates.

Having said that, I wish we would have walked away in Dec. I think we would have continued to negotiate (Still had a session or 2 scheduled in Jan at a min). We would have been in a labor dispute. The company hates bad publicity and all the rest that comes with labor disputes. They would not have waited or drawn this out til the JCBA. Also, this could have bought us more time to get other airlines their AIP numbers to more accurately define the market. Our AIP sets the floor, one that even AK will jump over in Sept with their snap up.

I would have voted yes for $330 DOS, a snap up that didn't include AK at DOS +1, 4% increase pay at DOS anniversary (or snap up) until CBA or JCBA was signed and PS that was similar to pre 2014 (15%, No cliff.) We have earned all of that.

I’d vote yes for same rates with snap up sans Alaska and previous ps with expenditure exclusions interfering with profits, like the billion ventures, they can invest, but it doesn’t negate profit.

Why is everyone wasting their energy arguing against this. You all know this is going to pass by a land slide. For godsake we agree to 3 percent the last time. This will pass and JCBA will suck too because the union will say we either vote for it or people will potentially loss jobs.

Our pilot group is soft and by the looks of it the guys and galls joining us from spirit are too. Unfortunately I thought they’d be stronger from the big game they were talking.

Naw, just lulling JB management into a false sense of security. And at the higher baseline, we’ll have even more people willing to just wait out management on the JCBA.

So did I.

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The fault also heavily lies with the union. Have they ever educated on profit sharing? Factual examples? One esoteric slide with an obscure formula and no dollar figures or examples in a contract comparison guide doesn’t cut it. Guys have no clue how many hundreds of thousands of dollars they’re forfeiting by agreeing to “we asked and they said no” from the mec re profit sharing on this deal.

Chris Kenney ought to be sued for misrepresentation of some sort. I’m not up to speed on RLA law, so I’m not sure if that is even possible. He’s abrogated his duties as an officer and failed in his duties to best represent this pilot group on multiple occasions. He willfully ruled against educating the group on the value of profit sharing when. He continues to intentionally keep the value of profit sharing out of the contract comparison guide. He is a disgrace and ought to never be allowed anywhere near a union position in the future. He’s dangerous to the members of B6ALPA. His title may as well be chief JetBlue flight ops negotiator. I wouldn’t even be surprised if jetblue stopped paying F&H since Chris Kenney does a better job screwing the pilots.

Wow dude take it easy I have not been rude to you here. I just was challenging the idea that they can just fill classes as you say. If that’s true there is no reason for the company to agree to pay more money right now. (Roy) or whoever you are.

After reviewing all the information provided by the union and others from the pilot group I have decided to vote “NO”. I sincerely hope you all do the same and vote down this TA “Trailing Agreement”