One small bone of contention and I don’t know how long you’ve been here but all of us who were here for TA 1 we were all quite forcefully told from our NC and Union you can forget about restoring PS while the company is profitable, the ONLY time we would ever have a chance in hell would be during a time of low or negative profitably and we should wait until then. They said no pilot group gained appreciable PS while the said airline was making money. Fast forward when you and I are going to the roadshows for our JCBA and I betcha that’ll be exactly what they will tell us. They will also say “if there was any hope for PS it was during the Jan 23 contract extension, or LOA 17…. But that ship has sailed so we need to move forward because we can’t fix that now”…. I can hear it all now.

I’m done debating this piece of garbage though. It’s moot. It still passes with between 80-85% yes imo. And, mark my words, B6ALPA wont get ‘em next time. There will be a sales campaign to pass a turd JCBA, likely with no PS, just trying to play catch up to legacy rates and 401k. And I look forward to eating crow if I’m wrong.

Nailed it...

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I came here right after that was signed. Believe me, I hear what you’re saying.

You’re correct, debating is futile at this point. 80-85% yes would indicate that it’s not garbage, but I digress. It did, however, fail to deliver PS. One other thing worth noting: not enough pilots are placing enough value on profit sharing (straight from our reps). Either they don’t know about it or don’t understand it. That needs to change, which is incumbent on the MEC to educate. If the JCBA falls short, I’ll be right there with you to recall everyone associated with it.

good grief if that’s true why would it be better for the JCBA?

Or, more likely, it indicates an inadequately educated pilot group (which I found out was by design, not just an oversight). This contract extension wouldn’t pass right now at any peer carrier, even if it included “another bite at the apple in 17 months.” Which should tell you everything you need to know. It’s not because it’s good, it’s because the masses don’t have the proper education. They got the sales pitch talking points, a standard dose of short term FUD about other contracts and the economy, and a good dose of “hope” that none of those FUD talking points will exist in 18-24 months and it’ll be smooth sailing.

Just ask your reps why the B6ALPA CCG doesn’t contain a slide with the historic value/pay out of profit sharing over the last 20 years like Delta’s CCG does. They know it exists. They know the value of it. It isn’t an accidental omission in educational materials.

If they properly educated the pilot group, it would make their negotiating job against the company a lot harder. Negotiating to be 6/6 with no profit sharing is a relatively easy task for ALPA. They (and National) get their cut in a timely manner and avoid a labor dispute, and their cut of incremental gains achieved by going back to the table are a rounding error to them. Reps don’t want to be recalled, so they sell sell sell. The pilots erroneously think they got a great deal and 80% are happy. Management ultimately has the lowest labor costs in the peer group while getting just enough to get people in the door, so they are happy. Win/win/win. And B6 pilots will continue to ride the coattails of real majors in perpetuity, picking up some scraps along the way, while telling their buddies and each other how good their steak dinner is.

Do you see no benefit of making a stand now, showing we value ourselves more than a quick buck, thus setting the tone for JCBA negotiations. There’s strength in resisting immediate satisfaction, which unfortunately has been the weakness of our leader CK, accept and push as the best w could do. We are worth more now and need to show the spirit group what we stand for, otherwise we get 2000 more lemmings.

I look forward to you stepping up as a rep, NC member or even MEC Chair…. it’s the same sh!t at every airline I’ve been at. As soon as a TA comes out, everyone wants to be involved all of the sudden and every pilot is a professional negotiator. It’s comical to read some of the garbage posted on here. Hell, some of you guys don’t even know the difference between an AIP vs TA.

Carry on.