seekingblue

I think they would take it into summer and beyond…. And so does the union.

I think we view things very differently and that’s okay. It’s hard for me to see your point of view, and I do honesty feel like you are in the minority here.

I hope, for many reasons, that this passes and we can fight hard in the JBCA for better pay (with the aid of pattern bargaining) and true profit sharing.

I was inverted

Here’s the problem with JetBlue’s pattern bargaining. The pattern B6ALPA bargains for is to join the bottom of the pack, and get nothing that only one or two other carriers has (ie delta NEO rates). Last time around it was 321 override—only a couple had it. And 220-100 rates couldn’t be close to 220-300 rates like delta because the ghost rates at UA/AA were low, so B6 got in-between the group 1/2 split and the delta -100/-300 split, despite delta being the only ones who have either plane. But then on the 321 side not enough had an override or different rate, so we couldn’t get that. Small, but notable examples of how the company seems to get to pick and choose the most advantageous (low) rates/items and the union just goes along with it and cries to guys like me who say we want it “not industry standard” (except they don’t say the same when it comes to things like profit sharing, hmm). The only “pattern” B6ALPA consistently bargains with is never leading on anything and always bringing up the rear, ensuring that it’s always the other airlines doing the heavy lifting and setting the pattern for us to bargain to (at the back, of course).

So you hope this passes so you can fight hard in the JCBA for stuff you could easily fight for right now…why not fight now? Especially since there will be a LOT of things needed to be fought for. Why not do some heavy lifting now, so that it’s less of a haul over the next 3-5 years slugging it out with two dissimilar pilot groups who each have their own priorities. Spirit guys will make white shirts, karbon jackets, and DTZ their hill to die on, jetblue guys will make bottom of the peer set pay their hill, and 6-9 pilots will be screaming for profit sharing. They’ll get 50% of the desired items in the JCBA, call it a win, and say the next time will be where the leverage is.

There’s leverage now. It’s always next time. Make it now.

capt707

You have no idea wtf you are talking about and I can tell from your previous posts you have no idea how an MEC functions or how the process works.

I have posed this questions on here before... who do you think will run for MEC Chairman? Who will run for NC or LEC reps? Do you know how many step up on average and how many participate in the election process?

There is always a lot of talk about recalls and replacing, but who is stepping up to replace?

I was inverted

There is someone who would backfill CK and was ready if the previous 2 recall attempts on CK went through. Nobody wants to talk about those though. They are kept pretty quiet.

Bluediver

Hence the Fear of the unknown that is common with this group. I’ve personally been vocal about a No vote in public settings with many. I’m tired of this group of individuals giving up at the ten and kicking a field goal. I wasn’t a No on the CBA of course I believed differently about these four then.

Roy Biggins

I’m not even gonna lie, I came away a No after that also. I was a reluctant yes before. I was in fact “hedging my bet’. After yesterday I’m a No. I also sent a question in and wasn’t satisfied with the answer. I have serious concerns with this group taking us into the JCBA.

I was inverted

Welcome to the dark side 😏

In all seriousness, I was hoping my mind would be changed through the course of road shows and Q&As. Prior to those though, I had numerous discussions with reps and negotiators, so I wasn’t optimistic anything could be said in a more public event than I got one on one.

I’ve somewhat resigned myself to the idea that this passes overwhelmingly, and I have held out hope that they really will get them next time. But yesterday was especially disturbing, and I think regardless of the outcome, the 4 from that Q&A need to go prior to JCBA negotiations. I have zero faith in them being able to achieve anything of significant value. I think that’s one reason I’m such a hard no now. If they can’t get really anything this go round, and are not only satisfied with it, but selling it, and agreed right before delta’s TA to much lower rates, then there ought to be 4,800 pilots concerned about their future they are negotiating.

Bluedriver

Scary and pathetic.

seekingblue

I’m glad we will know the result in 6 days.

Boomer

Why would a NO vote result in the MEC, NC, and/or LECs being replaced? That didn’t happen after LOA 13 was voted down (although it probably should have).