Entertaining post, no doubt. And you guys haven't had profit sharing in the past, and your "peer" ULCC airlines don't have it.

JB pilots had it before, but management took it unilaterally before the first CBA was achieved, because they could. There were some really big checks some years, and of course it's not uncommon for the captains in our peer set to get $30-60k PLUS checks. And it is part of EVERY SINGLE one of our peers contracts. When you guys shirts finally turn blue from holding your breath, it will be part of every single one of your peers contracts as well. And the time to get profit sharing in the contract is when the airline isn't very profitable. When the airline is highly profitable, the cost of the plan is much higher, and they will resist giving it to the pilots only that much more.

We all get our hourly rate, our paychecks 24 times a year. Our peers get, on average, very large bonus checks, often enough to buy a new car or pay college tuition, in cash. We literally hold the keys to the single operating certificate, there is NO reason we should even consider an AIP without peer standard profit sharing. And that line in the sand needs to be drawn by the NC. Period. No, "well let's see if the pilots will vote for a deal without it" crap. We stay at the table, operating two separate airlines, and in a labor dispute if need be, until we have a COMPLETE CBA with all the standard provisions of a top-five passenger airline, and some of our joint best-CBA provisions that each airline brings to the JCBA process from our existing CBAs. Until all those requirements are met, the answer is no...

 

Hear, Hear!

 

i think the complaining and the "no, that's not good enough, it needs to be redone" communication from the pilot group to the negotiating committee needs to come much earlier next time, when they are sending out the comparison guides and the "education guides" to the pilot group. we need to point out, "this isn't including everything" or whatever, like how alaska's 5% should be on top of their pay rates, since it's guaranteed. we need to somehow make the negotiating committee do it over again until they get it right as far as educating the pilot group of what our peer set really has, including profit sharing, so that they get the point across that it actually is a big deal. our guys just don't know these things, and that's the union's fault for not communicating it strongly enough. i have yet to talk to one single person that even knows that alaska gets 5% of their pay as a bonus or profit sharing or whatever you want to call it on top of their actual pay rates. no one knows that if all they do is read the stuff the union puts out. so my point is when the union puts it out, we have to force them to make it complete. that's the time to make them do the work. how do we do that?

 

Who says we won't make a profit soon?

I wonder if we'll just contract it out to Delta...if they want the products there on time.

8 month contract almost worth more than JetBlue today...hmmm.

JetBlue Airways Bags Global Heavyweight Service-2 Contract From US DoD

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Shivani Kumaresan

• JetBlue Airways Corporation (NASDAQ: JBLU) has secured an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity, fixed-price Global Heavyweight Service-2 (GHS-2) contract from the U.S. Department of Defense. The total program value of the contract is estimated to be $1.5 billion.
  
• The performance start date is Feb. 1, 2023, with an expected base period completion date of Sept. 30, 2023.
  
• The contract has an eight-month base period, nine one-year option periods, and a six-month extension period, if needed.
  
• Also Read:American Airlines And JetBlue Airways Tap Their Alliance Amid Antitrust Regulatory Opposition
  
• The contract is for providing heavyweight delivery services for domestic and international shipments.
  
• Services shall be provided for the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD), other Federal Government agencies.
  
• JetBlue will be required to provide door-to-door, time-definite, pick-up and delivery, transportation, timely and accurate shipment tracking, government Third Party Payment System (TPPS) participation, customs clearance processing and shipment data reporting.
  

 

This went to 22 other carriers, not just JB..

https://www.govconwire.com/2022/12/t...rogram-period/

JB won't actually perform the work and this will be farmed out to our codeshare partners and JB will get a small cut. JB had similar contracts in the past.

 

Expects to be profitable in 2023. Great time to vote down profit sharing…brilliant! Btw I’ve spoke to only no voters so far so I think it will be tighter than expected

 

Communication from whom? 80% of the pilot group is going to vote yes to this.

 

That's pretty funny.

 

I'm certain there is a notable subset of yes voters who also know that we should have done better with the leverage we had and could have had with a labor dispute. Should have gone for the touchdown but instead kicked a field goal from the 9 yardline, 1st down, while down by 6 and 2 mins left on the clock.

 

I think it's CRITICAL the union do real education next round regarding what's in our peers CBAs and what the actual average VALUE of those provisions are. Otherwise the survey data just isn't valid.

And they need to educate, then survey.