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Old 11-17-2023 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Short version; DOJ is using expert witnesses that are going to be giving conflicting testimony from what they said during the NEA trial and what they are going to say in this one. You can’t be a witness and say in one trial how JBLU is great in lowering fares against legacy carriers and then in another, say they will raise fares. A motion has been filed regarding this, and if it’s sustained, the DOJ is basically sunk
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Old 11-17-2023 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Short version; DOJ is using expert witnesses that are going to be giving conflicting testimony from what they said during the NEA trial and what they are going to say in this one. You can’t be a witness and say in one trial how JBLU is great in lowering fares against legacy carriers and then in another, say they will raise fares. A motion has been filed regarding this, and if it’s sustained, the DOJ is basically sunk
Good explanation.
I'm not sure if noisecanceller is really that dense or is just another Halon. I'm done with him. At least Halon's stuff shows intelligence.
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Old 11-17-2023 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Good explanation.
I'm not sure if noisecanceller is really that dense or is just another Halon. I'm done with him. At least Halon's stuff shows intelligence.
you are too kind.
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Old 11-17-2023 | 05:24 PM
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https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...67.167.0_1.pdf
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Old 11-17-2023 | 05:29 PM
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This was filed back in September?
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Old 11-17-2023 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
This was filed back in September?
Yeah. Behind 166 other items the court was asked to address.

So how long does it take your management to address a contract dispute? Mid-September to mid-November would - by that standard be lightning fast. At least for our management.
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Old 11-18-2023 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Rumors starting to float that a settlement has been submitted to the Judge. I don't know the validity of the rumors, but the timing would make sense due to motion 167.

In plain speak, the DOJ may/might/probably submitted an agreement to the Judge to drop the lawsuit in exchange for some Jetblue divestitures of Spirit gates/slots.

Again, this is an unsubstantiated rumor.
Rumors from where? How does the "timing make sense" when this motion 167 was submitted in September, per the date stamps? A lot of sweeping statements here, not trying to poke holes but amplifying information would be appreciated.
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Old 11-18-2023 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by GrayFlyer
Rumors from where? How does the "timing make sense" when this motion 167 was submitted in September, per the date stamps? A lot of sweeping statements here, not trying to poke holes but amplifying information would be appreciated.
Eventually, the court must address motion 167. The fact it has taken two months to getting around to addressing it should come as no great surprise considering there were 166 previous motions that preceded it. If you read motion 167 it is apparent that it addresses the issue that the DOJ does not want the testimony they themselves used in the NEA case used against them in this trial but it is even more than that. While JetBlue is not appealing the NEA decision, AAL is.

This puts the DOJ in the position of either having to refute their own NEA testimony (with that appeal still pending) or having to allow that testimony to be used by JB to refute the basis for this trial - which will then be used against them in the appeal. Basically, unless DOJ IS allowed to exclude their NEA testimony they are likely to lose one or even BOTH of their cases.

Thus the judge must either condone the DOJ doublespeak without allowing the NEA transcripts to be entered in evidence (and opening an avenue of appeal to this case if he were to decide against the acquisition) or allow them to be entered in which case it becomes obvious that - in AT LEAST ONE of the cases, DOJ was lying.

It's pretty obvious the judge is trying to signal to DOJ that they'd better cut a deal and settle this because he isn't about to sacrifice his integrity (or be overturned on appeal) to attempt to salvage the appearance of integrity for the DOJ - especially since they picked this fight. Whether politics allows them to do that is another story.
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Old 11-18-2023 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by GrayFlyer
Rumors from where? How does the "timing make sense" when this motion 167 was submitted in September, per the date stamps? A lot of sweeping statements here, not trying to poke holes but amplifying information would be appreciated.
DOJ expert witnesses are due on the stand any day and according to their depos they don't agree that Jetblue is a maverick or disrupter in the industry. The minor problem is that the DOJ argued this very point in the NEA case and won.

The motion lays out pretty clearly why this is an issue in an argument.
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Old 11-18-2023 | 11:21 AM
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That helps, thanks guys.
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