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Old 12-21-2023 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by En Garde
are these our rates with snap-up if SWA gets their TA?
No, these are SWAs rates when converted to hourly for comparative purposes. SWA pays Trip for Pay (TFP) instead of hourly. So if you look at SWA TFP pay scales, multiply them by 1.149 to get the hourly rate equivalent.
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Old 12-21-2023 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by En Garde
are these our rates with snap-up if SWA gets their TA?
No, just the new SWA rates.

JB does not have any more snap-ups after Aug 2024, if my memory serves me.
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Old 12-21-2023 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
No, just the new SWA rates.

JB does not have any more snap-ups after Aug 2024, if my memory serves me.
That's correct. I just checked the language in the contract, and after August of 24 we don't get any more scheduled raises until the JCBA, or next contract. Whatever ends up happening.
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Old 12-21-2023 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
No, just the new SWA rates.

JB does not have any more snap-ups after Aug 2024, if my memory serves me.
what’s your snap up language?
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Old 12-21-2023 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by PNWFlyer
what’s your snap up language?
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Old 12-21-2023 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluediver
Pattern bargaining is a real thing. What have they been feeding you guys?
He is a 2023 hire. Has a lot to learn still. He needs this merger not for the JCBA rates, but to keep him off the street.
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Old 12-21-2023 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by qwing
Currently on the yellow side here. Assuming the merge is passed, how do you think the JCBA will be affected by WN's new TA, also assuming theirs passes?
A rising tide lifts all ships.

Of course, we're over here bobbing for apples. Let's hope these quotes from Robin posted above remain true.
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Old 12-21-2023 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
...The FO rate may or may not be impacted quite as much, as SWA has historically had a higher CA/FO pay ratio than the rest of the industry I believe...
Our "extended" CBA only considers the 320/737 Captain rates at our peers. We use their CA rates to calculate our new CA rate. Then our FO, 220, and 190 rates are all adjusted up based on a ratio to our new 320 CA rate.

SWA could pay their FOs $100 or $1000 an hour and it will not affect our FO rate. Only their CA rate is used.
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Old 12-22-2023 | 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Our "extended" CBA only considers the 320/737 Captain rates at our peers. We use their CA rates to calculate our new CA rate. Then our FO, 220, and 190 rates are all adjusted up based on a ratio to our new 320 CA rate.

SWA could pay their FOs $100 or $1000 an hour and it will not affect our FO rate. Only their CA rate is used.
While that's true, the original question was about JCBA.
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Old 12-22-2023 | 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by qwing
Do you think the combined jetBlue will be able to ballpark it close to those pay rates?

A concern I have is the bottom feeders at Spirit will drag down pay rates in the JCBA. No offense, but Spirit pilots accepted sub standard, bottom of the barrel pay rates on their last TA which was not that long ago.
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