Reserve Rules Comparison
03-07-2024, 08:42 AM
#11
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VDA should benefit seniority but not to the point you and 3 others are the only ones getting calls. Also been able to pick up open time or trade board on top of guaranteed while on RSV . LCR conversion should pay an hour over guaranteed and not a miserable $100. I like the RSV Silo system but who thought it was a good idea for the senior to start first within the silo ?
03-07-2024, 09:20 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by Apexlegends
I like the RSV Silo system but who thought it was a good idea for the senior to start first within the silo ?
03-07-2024, 09:40 AM
#13
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Originally Posted by Apexlegends
VDA should benefit seniority but not to the point you and 3 others are the only ones getting calls. Also been able to pick up open time or trade board on top of guaranteed while on RSV . LCR conversion should pay an hour over guaranteed and not a miserable $100. I like the RSV Silo system but who thought it was a good idea for the senior to start first within the silo ?
Also a system to bid on specific trips for VDA. This getting called and having to accept whatever they have hidden is BS. I might be ok to fly NY to Jax at 10 pm, but maybe not NY to SFO.
03-07-2024, 09:45 AM
#14
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
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Reserve changes I'd like to see in no particular order:
Reserve grid- return to a single grid with a single value for any given day that governs LCR/SCR/lineholders all on the same damn grid.
Increase days off to 14 off for any LCR or SCR bid period
Change VDA system to match what NK had with the rotating priority based on accepted VDA credit that month. Allow RSVs to pick up trips on day off above guar.
I'm torn on the SCR silo stuff, but if junior pilot gets awarded the earliest time in a silo this will suck when a senior pilot bids C and gets 1600 with a junior guy starting Silo D at 1700. I think a potential compromise would be to keep it as it is today but instead of earliest legal pilot getting a trip it should be most junior legal pilot getting the trip. That way the senior guys will still start early in a block, but if a junior guy is stacked 1hr after then the senior guy is only on the hook for 1hr til the junior guy gets on duty.
LCR and SCR fly first list where a pilot can voluntarily take an assignment either on the DRO or day of operation outside of the callout order.
RAP should be extended to 12hrs (stay with me here) and any early release/shortening of the RAP is at the discretion of the pilot. If the pilot accepts a next day pairing assignment that reports earlier than their RAP start+2.5hrs then the trip pays 50% override above guar. If the pilot accepts a shortened current day RAP and an earlier next day RAP then that next day RAP pays the 50% override. Extending the RAP time to 12hrs limits the circadian shifts that CS can do. Going from 1600-0000 one day then 1000-2000 the next is tough. 12hr RAPs would limit shifts to 2hrs earlier than you started on the current day. 1200-0000 Day 1, 1000-2200 Day 2, etc
Reserve grid- return to a single grid with a single value for any given day that governs LCR/SCR/lineholders all on the same damn grid.
Increase days off to 14 off for any LCR or SCR bid period
Change VDA system to match what NK had with the rotating priority based on accepted VDA credit that month. Allow RSVs to pick up trips on day off above guar.
I'm torn on the SCR silo stuff, but if junior pilot gets awarded the earliest time in a silo this will suck when a senior pilot bids C and gets 1600 with a junior guy starting Silo D at 1700. I think a potential compromise would be to keep it as it is today but instead of earliest legal pilot getting a trip it should be most junior legal pilot getting the trip. That way the senior guys will still start early in a block, but if a junior guy is stacked 1hr after then the senior guy is only on the hook for 1hr til the junior guy gets on duty.
LCR and SCR fly first list where a pilot can voluntarily take an assignment either on the DRO or day of operation outside of the callout order.
RAP should be extended to 12hrs (stay with me here) and any early release/shortening of the RAP is at the discretion of the pilot. If the pilot accepts a next day pairing assignment that reports earlier than their RAP start+2.5hrs then the trip pays 50% override above guar. If the pilot accepts a shortened current day RAP and an earlier next day RAP then that next day RAP pays the 50% override. Extending the RAP time to 12hrs limits the circadian shifts that CS can do. Going from 1600-0000 one day then 1000-2000 the next is tough. 12hr RAPs would limit shifts to 2hrs earlier than you started on the current day. 1200-0000 Day 1, 1000-2200 Day 2, etc
03-07-2024, 11:55 AM
#15
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Reserve changes I'd like to see in no particular order:
Reserve grid- return to a single grid with a single value for any given day that governs LCR/SCR/lineholders all on the same damn grid.
Increase days off to 14 off for any LCR or SCR bid period
Change VDA system to match what NK had with the rotating priority based on accepted VDA credit that month. Allow RSVs to pick up trips on day off above guar.
I'm torn on the SCR silo stuff, but if junior pilot gets awarded the earliest time in a silo this will suck when a senior pilot bids C and gets 1600 with a junior guy starting Silo D at 1700. I think a potential compromise would be to keep it as it is today but instead of earliest legal pilot getting a trip it should be most junior legal pilot getting the trip. That way the senior guys will still start early in a block, but if a junior guy is stacked 1hr after then the senior guy is only on the hook for 1hr til the junior guy gets on duty.
LCR and SCR fly first list where a pilot can voluntarily take an assignment either on the DRO or day of operation outside of the callout order.
RAP should be extended to 12hrs (stay with me here) and any early release/shortening of the RAP is at the discretion of the pilot. If the pilot accepts a next day pairing assignment that reports earlier than their RAP start+2.5hrs then the trip pays 50% override above guar. If the pilot accepts a shortened current day RAP and an earlier next day RAP then that next day RAP pays the 50% override. Extending the RAP time to 12hrs limits the circadian shifts that CS can do. Going from 1600-0000 one day then 1000-2000 the next is tough. 12hr RAPs would limit shifts to 2hrs earlier than you started on the current day. 1200-0000 Day 1, 1000-2200 Day 2, etc
Reserve grid- return to a single grid with a single value for any given day that governs LCR/SCR/lineholders all on the same damn grid.
Increase days off to 14 off for any LCR or SCR bid period
Change VDA system to match what NK had with the rotating priority based on accepted VDA credit that month. Allow RSVs to pick up trips on day off above guar.
I'm torn on the SCR silo stuff, but if junior pilot gets awarded the earliest time in a silo this will suck when a senior pilot bids C and gets 1600 with a junior guy starting Silo D at 1700. I think a potential compromise would be to keep it as it is today but instead of earliest legal pilot getting a trip it should be most junior legal pilot getting the trip. That way the senior guys will still start early in a block, but if a junior guy is stacked 1hr after then the senior guy is only on the hook for 1hr til the junior guy gets on duty.
LCR and SCR fly first list where a pilot can voluntarily take an assignment either on the DRO or day of operation outside of the callout order.
RAP should be extended to 12hrs (stay with me here) and any early release/shortening of the RAP is at the discretion of the pilot. If the pilot accepts a next day pairing assignment that reports earlier than their RAP start+2.5hrs then the trip pays 50% override above guar. If the pilot accepts a shortened current day RAP and an earlier next day RAP then that next day RAP pays the 50% override. Extending the RAP time to 12hrs limits the circadian shifts that CS can do. Going from 1600-0000 one day then 1000-2000 the next is tough. 12hr RAPs would limit shifts to 2hrs earlier than you started on the current day. 1200-0000 Day 1, 1000-2200 Day 2, etc
Not sure I'm a fan of your last suggestion. I like the override ideas, BUT if we extend to 12 hours, I bet somehow that will require less reserves = less staffing. Just spit balling without running actual numbers. But forward your ideas to the CBA suggestion PDR.
Survey time!
03-07-2024, 12:05 PM
#16
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Originally Posted by ARL120384
Not bad ideas. I still like the idea of set RAP times, the DRO must die with CBA 1.0.
Not sure I'm a fan of your last suggestion. I like the override ideas, BUT if we extend to 12 hours, I bet somehow that will require less reserves = less staffing. Just spit balling without running actual numbers. But forward your ideas to the CBA suggestion PDR.
Survey time!
Not sure I'm a fan of your last suggestion. I like the override ideas, BUT if we extend to 12 hours, I bet somehow that will require less reserves = less staffing. Just spit balling without running actual numbers. But forward your ideas to the CBA suggestion PDR.
Survey time!
If we keep it at 10hrs for RAP duration thats fine with me as long as we have language for shifting of RAPs in the next day, and preventing early release so you can be assigned an earlier pairing/RAP the next day. Thats some BS when they pull that stunt.
03-07-2024, 12:49 PM
#17
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
I'm mixed on the set RAP times, it is nice to know all month what your RAP time is, but I do like starting late afternoon Day 1 and finishing early on the last day. This wouldnt be possible with set RAP times.
If we keep it at 10hrs for RAP duration thats fine with me as long as we have language for shifting of RAPs in the next day, and preventing early release so you can be assigned an earlier pairing/RAP the next day. Thats some BS when they pull that stunt.
If we keep it at 10hrs for RAP duration thats fine with me as long as we have language for shifting of RAPs in the next day, and preventing early release so you can be assigned an earlier pairing/RAP the next day. Thats some BS when they pull that stunt.
03-07-2024, 02:59 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by ARL120384
Totally agree on the last part. Early release followed by an earlier RAP should be pilot concurrence + some sort of benefit.
Might be a long shot but doesn’t DAL have a 18 hour call out with a show up promptly when converted. With no definition of promptly under the definitions section?
03-08-2024, 11:29 AM
#19
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Really tough to get the company to agree to fundamental changes in the SOC (training schedulers, etc).
Anyone know if we are the only airline staggering RAP start times? There should be 4 silos. And everyone in that silo starts at the same time. Then, by seniority, you can pass on assignment.
Bottom line - The reserve system needs a serious overhaul.
Anyone know if we are the only airline staggering RAP start times? There should be 4 silos. And everyone in that silo starts at the same time. Then, by seniority, you can pass on assignment.
Bottom line - The reserve system needs a serious overhaul.
03-08-2024, 12:07 PM
#20
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If you all ruin reserve, so help me....
the one thing we must absolutely keep is that a reserve owns a trip as a lineholder once it's assigned. Being disrupted as a lineholder is of most importance.
if I get called out for a 1 day I'm gonna be gone for a 1 day. If I get called out for a 2 day I'm gone for 2 days. Outside of an irop im coming home when I'm supposed to. I'm not getting extended.
the one thing we must absolutely keep is that a reserve owns a trip as a lineholder once it's assigned. Being disrupted as a lineholder is of most importance.
if I get called out for a 1 day I'm gonna be gone for a 1 day. If I get called out for a 2 day I'm gone for 2 days. Outside of an irop im coming home when I'm supposed to. I'm not getting extended.
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