Contract Negotiations Officially Begin
04-06-2024, 06:32 PM
#21
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,918
Originally Posted by I was inverted
Full back pay / retro / and/or otherwise decent signing bonus is a foreign concept to this pilot group and B6ALPA. My reps disagreed every time I discussed it with them, discounting its importance and asking what I was willing to give up for it. Not getting my hopes up that anything will change next time…been there done that. But I’ll continue to shout out the importance of it every chance I get…probably just wasting my breath though.
well it better not be going fwd.
04-07-2024, 05:59 AM
#22
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 199
You know they just raised our pay by making us work harder right? What was once a 3 day trip say to Lima now turned into a 4 day with what would have been a high time day turn. Therefore they pay you min day for a 4 day instead of min day for a 3 day and someone else the extra 2/3 hours over min day for that last day.
Do the math on how much they saved there. You’re welcome you just paid for your own raise. Ready for all the yes voters to spam the yes button to anything presented to them.
Do the math on how much they saved there. You’re welcome you just paid for your own raise. Ready for all the yes voters to spam the yes button to anything presented to them.
04-07-2024, 05:08 PM
#23
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by I was inverted
^^^^see? Your type is the problem with the B6 pilot group and union, and is all too pervasive. Thanks for making my point.
There is zero chance the company would have been able to weather the attrition/lack of applicants storm without a raise. You clearly can’t comprehend the “they needed it more than the pilots” part of the equation. To assume that B6 pilots would still be making $25 less is beyond asinine. Hope you enjoy your sht contract for the next 4-6 years. Especially those beautiful reserve grid(s)that lineholders didn’t realize would affect them too. Keep voting yes to the first turd you see though. Especially if there’s some fear put out by the union that you can’t get anything more now, it’ll take a couple years and there’s too much risk to say no to ask for more, and that you’ll get them next time.
There is zero chance the company would have been able to weather the attrition/lack of applicants storm without a raise. You clearly can’t comprehend the “they needed it more than the pilots” part of the equation. To assume that B6 pilots would still be making $25 less is beyond asinine. Hope you enjoy your sht contract for the next 4-6 years. Especially those beautiful reserve grid(s)that lineholders didn’t realize would affect them too. Keep voting yes to the first turd you see though. Especially if there’s some fear put out by the union that you can’t get anything more now, it’ll take a couple years and there’s too much risk to say no to ask for more, and that you’ll get them next time.
I agree at the moment it seemed we had all the leverage, and I voted no at the time. But never underestimate how much damage they would allow to prove a point. I don't think they could have held out long, but it turns out they wouldn't have needed to hold out long anyway. I suppose merger support would have been the next pressure point we could have forced if we didn't have a new CBA/extension.
04-07-2024, 05:10 PM
#24
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by KNOTAPILOT
You know they just raised our pay by making us work harder right? What was once a 3 day trip say to Lima now turned into a 4 day with what would have been a high time day turn. Therefore they pay you min day for a 4 day instead of min day for a 3 day and someone else the extra 2/3 hours over min day for that last day.
Do the math on how much they saved there. You’re welcome you just paid for your own raise. Ready for all the yes voters to spam the yes button to anything presented to them.
Do the math on how much they saved there. You’re welcome you just paid for your own raise. Ready for all the yes voters to spam the yes button to anything presented to them.
There is a lot of truth to this.
04-07-2024, 06:45 PM
#25
Almost there
Joined APC: Apr 2021
Posts: 1,098
Originally Posted by I was inverted
^^^^see? Your type is the problem with the B6 pilot group and union, and is all too pervasive. Thanks for making my point.
There is zero chance the company would have been able to weather the attrition/lack of applicants storm without a raise. You clearly can’t comprehend the “they needed it more than the pilots” part of the equation. To assume that B6 pilots would still be making $25 less is beyond asinine. Hope you enjoy your sht contract for the next 4-6 years. Especially those beautiful reserve grid(s)that lineholders didn’t realize would affect them too. Keep voting yes to the first turd you see though. Especially if there’s some fear put out by the union that you can’t get anything more now, it’ll take a couple years and there’s too much risk to say no to ask for more, and that you’ll get them next time.
There is zero chance the company would have been able to weather the attrition/lack of applicants storm without a raise. You clearly can’t comprehend the “they needed it more than the pilots” part of the equation. To assume that B6 pilots would still be making $25 less is beyond asinine. Hope you enjoy your sht contract for the next 4-6 years. Especially those beautiful reserve grid(s)that lineholders didn’t realize would affect them too. Keep voting yes to the first turd you see though. Especially if there’s some fear put out by the union that you can’t get anything more now, it’ll take a couple years and there’s too much risk to say no to ask for more, and that you’ll get them next time.
04-10-2024, 10:14 AM
#26
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Blue fifi flogger
Posts: 736
Originally Posted by KNOTAPILOT
You know they just raised our pay by making us work harder right? What was once a 3 day trip say to Lima now turned into a 4 day with what would have been a high time day turn. Therefore they pay you min day for a 4 day instead of min day for a 3 day and someone else the extra 2/3 hours over min day for that last day.
Do the math on how much they saved there. You’re welcome you just paid for your own raise. Ready for all the yes voters to spam the yes button to anything presented to them.
Do the math on how much they saved there. You’re welcome you just paid for your own raise. Ready for all the yes voters to spam the yes button to anything presented to them.
04-11-2024, 05:51 PM
#27
Bluediver the REAL deal
Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 327
Originally Posted by KNOTAPILOT
You know they just raised our pay by making us work harder right? What was once a 3 day trip say to Lima now turned into a 4 day with what would have been a high time day turn. Therefore they pay you min day for a 4 day instead of min day for a 3 day and someone else the extra 2/3 hours over min day for that last day.
Do the math on how much they saved there. You’re welcome you just paid for your own raise. Ready for all the yes voters to spam the yes button to anything presented to them.
Do the math on how much they saved there. You’re welcome you just paid for your own raise. Ready for all the yes voters to spam the yes button to anything presented to them.
04-12-2024, 02:01 PM
#28
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 57
Originally Posted by pilotpayne
yup we have almost no real leverage right now.
04-12-2024, 02:17 PM
#29
SDQ Base Chief
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,588
Originally Posted by BlueJuicer17
JB on last earnings call said they might barely break even in 2024. Labor is a huge cost. We are not a Legacy and don’t generate the revenue they do.
04-12-2024, 02:32 PM
#30
Bluediver the REAL deal
Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 327
Originally Posted by BlueJuicer17
JB on last earnings call said they might barely break even in 2024. Labor is a huge cost. We are not a Legacy and don’t generate the revenue they do.
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