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Old 10-22-2024 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
The company just offered 705 incentive lines(15% of the pilot group) for December. They may not award them all but I would say it’s safe we aren’t hiring for a long time.
Two words.

Not related.
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Old 10-22-2024 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
The over/under is 200 total awarded VILs, place your bets.
Exactly. But, but, how can the sky fall if they don't award all 700?!
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Old 10-22-2024 | 10:55 AM
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Who cares… I am absolutely certain they will either furlough or not furlough. That’s a guarancheezit.
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Old 10-22-2024 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ARL120384
Two words.

Not related.
How can it not be related? Yes they likely won't award all of them or even half of them but it shows a state of significant overstaffing company wide during what is supposed to be a busy month, especially with a late thanksgiving spilling into the first week of December. All of Which indicates no hiring for a while, which was the topic of this thread, which is what I said.
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Old 10-22-2024 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
How can it not be related? Yes they likely won't award all of them or even half of them but it shows a state of significant overstaffing company wide during what is supposed to be a busy month, especially with a late thanksgiving spilling into the first week of December. All of Which indicates no hiring for a while, which was the topic of this thread, which is what I said.
Because all that matters is how many they actually award. The number offered could be 4000, but if they only award 300 it doesnt matter. I just tried looking at the crew planning site to see the historical actual versus awarded, but it seems they dont keep an archive.

We all know we are running fat right now, but it's temporary. These VIL's are saving the company money. In my opinion, the more the merrier! The more VIL's people take the more money it saves the company, and just maybe, the lesser chance of drastic staffing changes and downgrades. You can read into it however you want, but it's very much emotionally based and not on fact.
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Old 10-22-2024 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ARL120384
Because all that matters is how many they actually award. The number offered could be 4000, but if they only award 300 it doesnt matter. I just tried looking at the crew planning site to see the historical actual versus awarded, but it seems they dont keep an archive.

We all know we are running fat right now, but it's temporary. These VIL's are saving the company money. In my opinion, the more the merrier! The more VIL's people take the more money it saves the company, and just maybe, the lesser chance of drastic staffing changes and downgrades. You can read into it however you want, but it's very much emotionally based and not on fact.
They offer more than they award because people have figured out that bidding reserve and only working a few days but getting paid 75 is better than getting paid 50. It’s not like they are awarding fewer than the initial amount in the email because they change their mind. There just aren’t as many takers as they’d like.
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Old 10-23-2024 | 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by I was inverted
They offer more than they award because people have figured out that bidding reserve and only working a few days but getting paid 75 is better than getting paid 50. It’s not like they are awarding fewer than the initial amount in the email because they change their mind. There just aren’t as many takers as they’d like.
That's probably true for some portion of the difference between the number of VILs offered and the number awarded, but there's also usually a decent number of pilots who ask for a VIL, are eligible for a VIL, and are denied. For November, it looks like 155 pilots were denied for "Not senior enough."
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Old 10-23-2024 | 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ARL120384
Because all that matters is how many they actually award. The number offered could be 4000, but if they only award 300 it doesnt matter. I just tried looking at the crew planning site to see the historical actual versus awarded, but it seems they dont keep an archive.

We all know we are running fat right now, but it's temporary. These VIL's are saving the company money. In my opinion, the more the merrier! The more VIL's people take the more money it saves the company, and just maybe, the lesser chance of drastic staffing changes and downgrades. You can read into it however you want, but it's very much emotionally based and not on fact.
That is such a rose-colored glasses view it's a miracle you haven't given us all diabetes.
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Old 11-16-2024 | 01:24 PM
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A buddy of mine asked if I knew what the retirement numbers looked like into the 2030s. Couldn't find any posts on this newer than 2021, so I pulled the data and made this for him real quick. Figured I'd post it in case it's of value to anyone else. I guess this thread is as good as any...


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Old 11-17-2024 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by GrayFlyer
A buddy of mine asked if I knew what the retirement numbers looked like into the 2030s. Couldn't find any posts on this newer than 2021, so I pulled the data and made this for him real quick. Figured I'd post it in case it's of value to anyone else. I guess this thread is as good as any...


https://i.imgur.com/ur06qvg.png

our "wave" is a decade behind the legacies because everyone who got furloughed after 9/11 was in their 30's and got hired here. We do have a "wave" it's just a little delayed.

I know someone is going to scream about how we don't have 800 a year retiring but when you look at it by percentages it's close to what the legacies have right now. It's peaks at about 4.5% a year.
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