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3.5 years is actually a tad high for junior 320 captain. An October 2012 hire was awarded 320 captain in the December system bid. That's roughly 73% seniority.
Granted no one really wants to spend the holidays at OSC, which I think causes the December bid to go slightly more junior than others, it's still a testament to our reserve work rules that so many FOs bypass upgrade for so long.
Considering the Fall of 2012 was the beginning of the current wave of hiring, the reduction in our aircraft deliveries over the next several years, and the assumption that reserve work rules and overall pay will improve with our first contract, upgrade times will probably not stay this quick for long.
But who knows? Maybe the company will get sick of having so many captain RSA's and decide to finally properly staff for captains, thus negating everything I just said!
Granted no one really wants to spend the holidays at OSC, which I think causes the December bid to go slightly more junior than others, it's still a testament to our reserve work rules that so many FOs bypass upgrade for so long.
Considering the Fall of 2012 was the beginning of the current wave of hiring, the reduction in our aircraft deliveries over the next several years, and the assumption that reserve work rules and overall pay will improve with our first contract, upgrade times will probably not stay this quick for long.
But who knows? Maybe the company will get sick of having so many captain RSA's and decide to finally properly staff for captains, thus negating everything I just said!
#5342
Most junior plane and base? Length of time on rsv in specific Bases/Plane? Commuter Clause?
I would assume 190 JFK is most junior but idk. Also when do you guys think a new TA will be ready? Changes?
Thanks for the info!
#5343
I'd expect a TA in 2-3 years, significant changes in many areas such as reserve, vacation/PTO, scope, retirement, health care, pay and others.
#5344
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I'll let the BOS guys handle how long their RSV is.
#5345
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What reduction in deliveries? We're still getting 10+ a/c a year through 2022. Only 6 in 2018 but still were getting another 100 planes in 7 years.
Course that could all change but I haven't seen anything about a reduction yet.
2014 10-K
Pg 22 has the delivery schedule. That's the most recent I'm aware of. I know it shows 24 more 190s but I wouldn't count on that. Imo.
Course that could all change but I haven't seen anything about a reduction yet.
2014 10-K
Pg 22 has the delivery schedule. That's the most recent I'm aware of. I know it shows 24 more 190s but I wouldn't count on that. Imo.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not spouting doom and gloom, I just see several factors that make a 3 year upgrade on the bus appear to be relatively quick and short lasting compared to the historical norm. With that being said, when an upgrade to airbus captain is 5-7 years like it had been recently, that's still fairly quick.
As Flyby said, there will undoubtedly be major changes that come with a new contract, hopefully within the next couple years.
We're growing smart and the talk of building the fleet up to 300 bodes well for keeping the older 320s around for a while as we take delivery of the NEOs. Even if oil weren't as cheap as it is now, we would still be making good money. We also seem to be doing the smart thing, paying down debt and buying planes straight cash while oil is cheap, to strengthen our position for the future. To me that's ultimately more important than a quick upgrade. Most important of all though is a rock solid CBA.
If we continue to grow smart, get better work rules, improved pay rates, and better reserve staffing on the captain side at least, upgrade times will probably be longer than they are today. But we will be a stronger company financially, hopefully with a strong CBA that will make that longer wait for the left seat more fruitful and enjoyable, and the time spent as a junior captain less of a PITA.
I do agree with you, I don't see those 24 190 orders making an impact on the total fleet size.
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100% agree with you. And the 3-4 year upgrade will disappear like a fart in the wind! Timing is everything.
You're right, I should have said deferral of deliveries. Those 18 planes that were slated to arrive in the next three years will now not start arriving for seven years. With our current staffing, that's over 250 pilots whose hiring was also deferred. With roughly 100 mandatory retirements over the next five years, seniority progression is highly dependent upon fleet growth.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not spouting doom and gloom, I just see several factors that make a 3 year upgrade on the bus appear to be relatively quick and short lasting compared to the historical norm. With that being said, when an upgrade to airbus captain is 5-7 years like it had been recently, that's still fairly quick.
As Flyby said, there will undoubtedly be major changes that come with a new contract, hopefully within the next couple years.
We're growing smart and the talk of building the fleet up to 300 bodes well for keeping the older 320s around for a while as we take delivery of the NEOs. Even if oil weren't as cheap as it is now, we would still be making good money. We also seem to be doing the smart thing, paying down debt and buying planes straight cash while oil is cheap, to strengthen our position for the future. To me that's ultimately more important than a quick upgrade. Most important of all though is a rock solid CBA.
If we continue to grow smart, get better work rules, improved pay rates, and better reserve staffing on the captain side at least, upgrade times will probably be longer than they are today. But we will be a stronger company financially, hopefully with a strong CBA that will make that longer wait for the left seat more fruitful and enjoyable, and the time spent as a junior captain less of a PITA.
I do agree with you, I don't see those 24 190 orders making an impact on the total fleet size.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not spouting doom and gloom, I just see several factors that make a 3 year upgrade on the bus appear to be relatively quick and short lasting compared to the historical norm. With that being said, when an upgrade to airbus captain is 5-7 years like it had been recently, that's still fairly quick.
As Flyby said, there will undoubtedly be major changes that come with a new contract, hopefully within the next couple years.
We're growing smart and the talk of building the fleet up to 300 bodes well for keeping the older 320s around for a while as we take delivery of the NEOs. Even if oil weren't as cheap as it is now, we would still be making good money. We also seem to be doing the smart thing, paying down debt and buying planes straight cash while oil is cheap, to strengthen our position for the future. To me that's ultimately more important than a quick upgrade. Most important of all though is a rock solid CBA.
If we continue to grow smart, get better work rules, improved pay rates, and better reserve staffing on the captain side at least, upgrade times will probably be longer than they are today. But we will be a stronger company financially, hopefully with a strong CBA that will make that longer wait for the left seat more fruitful and enjoyable, and the time spent as a junior captain less of a PITA.
I do agree with you, I don't see those 24 190 orders making an impact on the total fleet size.
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