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Old 02-27-2016 | 04:39 PM
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Requirement for cleaning the cabin during turns is not contained within the duties and responsibilities, of Capt./FO, or even F/A for that matter as outlined in the FOM of any carrier I've worked for. Never been discussed during any interview or basic indoc.

BTW... Isn't JB ALPA now? Is or will reference to cabin cleaning part of the contract? Better yet... Will JB expect crews to clean the jet after the last flight of the day?

Perhaps JB should consider ceasing operations if the cost of hiring qualified cleaning personnel to clean their jets.
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Old 02-27-2016 | 04:47 PM
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Hearing the "talk" of Aewanabe, makes me want to clean with the hope I'm flying with aewanabe just so I could upset him even more and the hopes he would "write me up" or call pro standards on me. I'm sorry this is hilarious.
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Old 02-27-2016 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyinRabbit88
Hearing the "talk" of Aewanabe, makes me want to clean with the hope I'm flying with aewanabe just so I could upset him even more and the hopes he would "write me up" or call pro standards on me. I'm sorry this is hilarious.
I feel the same way.
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Old 02-27-2016 | 04:59 PM
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aewanabe please give more clues about yourself so I can add you to my bid prefer list so I can be your FO and clean every flight with you. Pleeeeease... So you are a 3 year capt on the bus. Sounds like you still have that angry pilot syndrome from the regionals.
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Old 02-27-2016 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyinRabbit88
aewanabe please give more clues about yourself so I can add you to my bid prefer list so I can be your FO and clean every flight with you. Pleeeeease... So you are a 3 year capt on the bus. Sounds like you still have that angry pilot syndrome from the regionals.
And since your profile says CR7 and you've been here 4 months, do you therefore have that "I'm just happy to be here 'cuz it's better than Skywest mentality?". 8.5 years here, I'm far past being an angry regional pilot.

I backed off a bit on the other thread, and haven't tried very hard to hide my identity. You can research my posts or PM me if you'd like to know more.
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Old 02-27-2016 | 05:12 PM
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The ghosts of Pan Am, TWA, United, Delta, Eastern (and other) pilots that built this profession and tried to elevate it from the ranks of bus driver are turning in their graves.
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Old 02-27-2016 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by rvr1800
Our customers have said in surveys that they do not want to see pilots cleaning. If that's not enough to stop you then nothing will. They're opinion of you is as important if not more important than your flight attendant's. After all they are the reason we get paid.
That is it. No more arguments should be required. Please respect what our customers want. It is not that hard. We should not even have a thread like this.

I am on reserve, so anyway usually when I get a call there is never time to do anything more than the basic duties. If there is enough time and they were friendly, I buy the FAs coffee when I get mine. I never wait nor ask for the trash bag and waters, always get them myself.
When I non-rev I do my row as requested on our pass rider guide.

Now to spin the argument, I saw multiple times FAs doing nothing while the non revs were scrambling to cross and clean, so much for team work.
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Old 02-27-2016 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by hyperboy
This is how I feel. I don't have to do the seats but I do as part of a team. When your running late and it gives the FA's a chance to check their phones respond to loved ones to get back on track. I can't find anywhere in their FAM's where it says they have to get me a beverage? I have seen many that say they never do seats come out of the wood work to help if it's go home day and they are trying to make a commute home? Now they have a huge dilemma.......again it requires you to think for yourself (would you miss your commute by not helping) or hide in selfish hypocrisy?.....
It is a nice gesture. It certainly should not be in JB's hiring requirements. It is very telling of the culture management is attempting to facilitate. If somebody wants to help out, that is great. A pilots job is flying the plane safely and being a good representation of company values. How does cleaning the plane as a pilot help(not trained in cleaning)? Do they give you rubber gloves and Clorox? Do you want to get yourself sick cleaning that filth?
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Old 02-27-2016 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by GuardBummer
I feel the same way.
GuardBummer, I've flown with tons of Pease guys, maybe even you (now you know my base). In the other thread, which admittedly got a bit heated, I referenced the FOM and FCOM when another poster called me out, with the caveat that I don't really want to go that route. Section 1 of the FOM has some pretty good info about turn time guidelines, and the respective duties of each pilot. If I respectfully explained my opinion on cleaning to you, asked you to defer when our customers and union have done the same, then pointed out more important priorities in our duties, you'd go back to cleaning to prove a point? I'd win that battle, but it's sad it even needs to be fought.

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Old 02-27-2016 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
The ghosts of Pan Am, TWA, United, Delta, Eastern (and other) pilots that built this profession and tried to elevate it from the ranks of bus driver are turning in their graves.
I thought ghosts were free to move around, I doubt they hang out in their own graves.
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